Episode 211 – Mysterious Universe

Nov 22nd in Podcasts by Benjamin Grundy

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Tales of monsters in NYC’s central park, ancient Chinese abductions, and witchboys abound in this week’s offering as we test the waters with our new equipment and (half built) studio.

Read on for show notes, videos, and music.

Cllr Adrian Hicks demands answers over extra-terrestrials

Derek’s close encounter

Vatican Seeks Signs of Alien Life

“The Fourth Kind” Is A Hoax

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Man Encounters Alien While on Hunting Trip

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Lair of the Beasts: A New York Monster

Chinese Monster Tales Part One

Are Min Mins alive?

The witchboy who turned into a woman

Adventures in time #1: a Scottish spinster at the Battle of Nechtansmere, 685 AD

Ancient Human Metropolis Found in Africa

An Exclusive Interview with Andrew Collins

Bygone Doomsdays

Music Provided by IODA Promonet

We Are OneEastern Sun
“Days Gone By” (mp3)
from “We Are One”
(Ball of Waxx)

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We are 3rd Wave, Vol. 1M.Rahn
“Type04″ (mp3)
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Palette of MoodsEl Farouki
“Modulo” (mp3)
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“Voodoo Jive” (mp3)
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“Ghost Town” (mp3)
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LiquidoMartin Fissher
“Now and then” (mp3)
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Final Track w/ David Ike Samples (big shout out to the artist for providing the track)

The Draconian Shape Shifters by Nutkaze

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  • arturo1
    I have a theory about who inhabited the ancient metropolis in Africa; Boskops! http://discovermagazine.com/2009/the-brain-2/28...
  • Bill Hiel
    A day after I listened to the divot box episode I had to be admitted into the hospital. And NO, the episode wasn't the cause. But the both of us thought it was rad.
  • snakefarmer
    When talking about how there could have been past advanced civilizations , one host suggested that even our current culture could be wiped away in a matter of hundreds or thousands of years. But you're forgetting one big factor that separates our civilization from past ones-- OIL! Our structure mainly based on petroleum products which do not degrade, so although buildings and metal items may decay, there will likely be a lot of plastic junk around for ages.
    However, that could be the reason we dont see obvious evidence of ancient advanced cultures- because they built from materials that decomposed.
  • latasha gibson
    hey guys! i was amazed when i heard the story about the guy seeing hte creature in the NY park. my first thought? OMG! he saw a brownie! they are small fey creatures covered in brown hair. they live in people's house nad clean and help with the house work but if you ever actknowledge them or leave things out for them purposely, they take it as an insult and leave. maybe this lil brownie was just in the process of moving! lol ; ) keep up the great work!
    latasha
  • matthewnk
    This was a really great episode! I especially loved the artical about the 200,000 yo metropolis in South Africa. I'm not sure why, but the ancient civilization/alternative ancient history stories always get me super excited! Keep up the good work.
  • A. Wells
    Hey guys, just wanted to say this was another great episode. When MU was off the internet, I looked around for other paranormal-related podcasts to listen to, but I didn't enjoy any of them quite as much. I guess it's your combination of sound quality, diverse stories, and positive attitude. It seems like a lot of people who report on the paranormal have a tendency to become bitter and cynical over time... maybe due to the cumulative effects of multiple cursed European antique boxes? ;)

    Anyway, I'm a pretty hardcore skeptic myself, but I love hearing all the far-out ideas on MU. Even if they seem ridiculously far-fetched sometimes (remote-viewing humanoid civilizations under the surface of Mars?), they get my imagination firing. Keep up the good work!
  • I hate the type of stories like the one about the transgender "witchboy". These stories are spread by Right -Wing Witch Hunters to use as an excuse to attack the indigenous cultures of their enemies, as seen in the url I posted below. The usual scapegoats are women, queer folk, and children. Any easy pray.

    And in regards to the Catholic Church, i would never use the "progressive" in regards to their policies as they are horrible offenders in many human rights cases. I know Ben, like myself, is not a fan of Richard Dawkins (he did help Doug Adams script fun Doctor Who episodes) but maybe you should examine his main detractors especially in regards to the P2 Banking Scandal in Italy years back.
  • corpwilson
    Love the show keep up the good work
  • ancientatomic
    thanks guys loved it again.
    the Andrew Collins story hit on lizards for a sec.
    and wanted to say I got my wife to love MU after "The Lacerta " podcast
    and every time I drive past a Taco Bell I think of that show.
    -----more Lacerta-------. thanks again
  • jlyn1980
    Hey you guys were talking about Obama releasing information about aliens on the 27th. Well did you know that he is actually having a television special to announce what we are going to do about Iraq and Afghanistan on Tuesdeay Dec 1. Is that close enough to the 27th?
  • bluealien
    Just some food for thought on the sasquatch in New york.

    Here are some other crazy fringe theorys that came to mind

    -Worm hole.... a worm hole opens up ancient africa and ancient relative wanders through comes out in central park and then zip...back to his own time

    -Alien abduction from another time, aliens speeding over time and space abduct an ancient relative then appear again in another time / dimention and dropping our friend off in central park.

    (incidently this could be a good explanation for all sasquaches)

    -Planet of the apes conference, that day across the road from central park a planet of the apes conference for fans was taking place, during lunch a youn fan dressed as an ape goes for a walk in the park..
  • mannyramirez
    Ben and Aaron.

    I'm so glad that MU has returned. The topics are wonderful and very "Fascinating", It makes my 140 mile daily commute to work enjoyable. Plus the music chosen for each episode is great.

    I recommend this podcast to all my friends and family and even to my co-workers who are in the medical field and consider themselves skeptics. Some have, let's say ....have become interested in the paranormal.

    Keep the wonderful work...and Kudos to Aaron for joining the MU line up.
    And Ben again...the quality is superb. Keep it up.

    Good luck with the new studio.

    Manny
    Pennsylvania


    (And no...I have not seen any mysterious splitting snakes on the road, lol)
  • matchtlevel
    On "Adventures in Time #1: a Scottish spinster at the Battle of Nechtansmere, 685 AD": This seems like a very vivid past-life memory.
  • Hello, I just came across these vid interviews with Andrew Collins regarding Beneath The Pyramids.
    There's 4 parts. Here's the first: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A9AZyydB2s
  • itutton
    I'm about to go off on a little tangent here but stay with me. Last night I couldn't sleep at all because I had just seen a commercial for The Fourth Kind and for some reason it particularly creeped me out that night and I kept thinking I was gonna roll over to face the window and see this giant black eyed owl staring at me. Then this morning I was thinking about how a lot of people who claim to have been abducted remember seeing weird animals just kinda hanging out with big alien like eyes. Again, I don't know why I've been particularly fixated on this but that's been the case.

    So I'm at work and the engineer that I work with happens to be out today so it's just poor little me alone in my office building. I was right in the middle of listening to this episode and somethig was mentioned about The Fourth Kind and I thought it was kind of ironic (maybe a little bit of synchronicity!) that I was just thinking pretty heavily about the topic. Anyway, this guy came in to look at some office space and I took him to the back part of the building where I literally never go. All of the unoccupied office doors are kept shut. So I opened the doors, showed him around, and he left. After I saw him out, I went back to the back of the building to shut the doors and in one of the offices, for some reason my eyes were drawn to the corner as I was shutting the door... and there is this GIANT lizard sitting there, staring at me. I was in a little bit of shock I think so I kind of went "Oh." and closed the door but as I walked back to my desk I started to panic, not really because I thought it was an ET or anything but there's this giant freakin lizard sitting in a back office probably plotting my death.

    And the thing is, I SWEAR it was not there when I showed the guy the office. He probably would have seen it! Right? Surely. I don't really remember anything weird about it except that, you know, I was terrified out of my mind. And we're right in the middle of the suburbs. It's not like we're in the middle of the woods and we get these things around here all the time. Plus it was HUGE so I don't think it could have fit through a crack or anything...

    So anyway I thought it was just an interesting story, if not a little off topic. The lizard is still presumably in the office as I sit here up front and type this. I forced my husband to take off of work and drive up here to check it out so we'll see. I have my phone with me so if I get abducted I'll make sure to post some TwitPics of it! ;P

    PS
    Great show! :)
  • You're insane. I love it.
  • itutton
    Thank you (I think)! Much more has happened with my close encounter of the lizard kind since yesterday! It's been crazy.
  • Ian
    Great show. i've only recently discovered it - and in reply to brian I also like the off-topic stuff. It adds to the "personality" of the show and it's interesting to hear about the behind-the-scenes stuff.

    I actually came to the website looking for a link to the CCTV footage of the guy who was supposedly captured being abducted in a flash of light, then returned in similar fashion, vomits and staggers off-camera. Does anyone have a link to this, I'd really like to see it.
  • brianpeiris
    The link is in the show notes. Its titled "Derek’s close encounter":
    http://www.thisishampshire.net/news/4721463.Der...
  • Tony
    About the New York Monster. I live in NY city. It was probably just a hairy homeless person sleeping in the woods. He must of got scared and ran off. Debunked!
  • u guys are legends for real... thanks for playin my track homies.

    peace
    Nutkaze
  • Nicole
    Just received my Season One back catalogue today! I'm so excited!
  • Regarding the creature seen in NYC. We have to stop thinking that there are creatures living in a park or wherever. The thing is that these are paranormal events. Same with UFOs and Big Foot. When they are in our reality, they are real. But they are gone just as quickly. This is why no one ever finds a carcass of one of these beasts.

    I live in New Jersey, about 15 miles from NYC. Myself and 6 other boys had an encounter back in the 70's when I was about 14. We saw a number of small black hairy humanoid creatures with large green glowing eyes. They were down in a brook that has 12 foot high cement walls. They left hoof like prints in the mud that looked like the Devonshire England prints. Years later two other girls I knew, who had not heard this story saw the same creatures on separate occasions. They did not know each other. One of the boys also had several encounters with something that looked like a small "gnome" with a long beard in his backyard. This was also seen by his nephew. In my house we had a phantom black cat. Lots of people saw that.

    This is a very populated area, so I'd bet other have seen them also. But I know they do not live in the brook where we saw them, because my buddies and myself used to go walking in that brook.

    So these are transient phenomenon that come to our reality from somewhere else, perhaps another dimension. I also feel this is the most likely explanation for UFOs and "aliens". Dr. Jacque Vallee had similar ideas starting back in the late 60's in his ground breaking book, Passport to Magonia.

    We have tales going way back about "little people", Elves, Fairies, etc. These legends include people being abducted. They include these beings having supernatural powers, and often coming from the sky in ships. Fairies would disappear after doing a "faerie dance", where they would spin around in a circle very fast. That would leave a "faerie ring" in the grass. Later these rings were associated with UFO landings, and then later as crop circles.

    A lot of this stuff is probably something our brain cannot process directly, so we see a sort of play being acted out, with various odd creatures and even odder situations. Many of these cases have a high level of absurdity or "high strangeness". These creatures are also known to be "tricksters" and are often deceitful, telling us what ever we want to hear. Like the story with the hunter... other hunters came upon some grays and asked what they were doing. They said they were hunting and fishing!

    This whole thing is much stranger than just some aliens from some other solar system coming here for scientific missions! That's just an act. What is it all about? I have no idea.
  • brianpeiris
    First off ... loving the show, I was a paying listener during season one and it's great to have MU back to give me my dose of paranormal.

    That said...

    Please, please, please *stop* talking about podcasting and about your personal lives when it doesn't have anything to do with the show's topics. I *really* don't mind that you missed a week or that your sound quality will be unnoticeably sub-par so don't give me a 10 minute exposition about it. Get to the great content and the interesting insight which is more than enough for a show.

    Heck, Slice of SciFi suffered the *death* of a regular co-host (RIP Joe Murphy) and they didn't even miss a beat, all it took was a 2 minute nod of respect and they were back to business. You could learn a lesson from the pros.
  • Bayles
    Slice of SciFi has nothing on this show...talk away Aaron and Ben!
  • itutton
    Aww, that's sad that you think that! I think it's literally the best part! I wouldn't mind a whole talk show called "The Adventures of Ben and Aaron"!
  • Tankmaster
    A little bit of banter is fine, but a whole talk show...? :)
  • oldstersview
    Complete agreement with jgrundy. Lighten up brianpeiris. Getting to know something about the hosts of any podcast or radio show greatly improves the experience and it's not like there is any time constraint here.

    What a shame that Slice of SciFi could only afford a "2 minute nod of respect" to recognize a friend's death.
  • brianpeiris
    Woah there, I did not intend to imply that the Slice of SciFi guys were cold or indifferent towards the death of a friend. So please don't put words in to my mouth. I'm just saying that they know what their listeners are there for and they know where to draw the line when it comes to personal news.

    I agree that it's often only 1/10th of the show and that I can forward through it. I just wanted to put my vote in there for less personal stuff -- atleast put it at the very tail end of the show, after the sign-off -- I'm here for the paranormal.

    I mean no offense to Ben or Aaron. It goes without saying, we wouldn't have anything to listen to without them!
  • I really disagree with this. Their off-topic conversations bring a lot to the show and it's one of my favourite parts of the new format!
    Also, when they do discuss their 'personal lives' it has often been related to their show and the show content in some way.
    From what I listened to so far of Episode 211, their conversations were about the new studio (and being a long time listener, you should know how much Ben values the quality of his podcast and how much this means to him and his listeners) and some recent bad luck which could be associated with 'the box'. :)

    Keep it up Ban and Aaron, you're both doing a great job!
  • Tankmaster
    I think Brian's comment was a fair one, was respectful and appropriately caveat-ed. Seems like everyone "circles the wagons" if, God forbid, a comment is made about the show that is less than oozing with adulation. Lighten up people. Ben and Aaron do a great job, but if they can't take a little constructive criticism, maybe they're in the wrong biz. Personally, I don't need to hear about how the sausage is made. The show always sounds great! I couldn't tell any difference between this week and the last show. It's MP3, not DVD HD! :)
  • That's a bit hypocritical. I didn't criticise him, but simply stated that I disagreed and provided reasoning.
    Both points are completely fair and worthy of being posted. ;)
  • coboot
    Great show. I will re-listen at work tomorrow when I dont have anyone around. I might start with number one and go through the entire series!!
  • oldstersview
    The story concerning "Ancient Human Metropolis Found in Africa" sounds a lot like the writings of Zecharia Sitchin. If you haven't read him you may want to give him a go, especially with regard to the making of the human race and the wars of the gods and humans. Here's a couple entry points:

    http://sitchin.com/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zecharia_Sitchin

    Another great show, by the way. Sound problems were minimal on my Zune. Even with your difficult working conditions the production values remain high and better than the majority of podcasts by far. Looking forward to next wee.
  • A. Wells
    If Wikipedia is to be further believed, it's no coincidence that it sounds like the writings of Zecharia Sitchin. The article on Michael Tellinger says that he's written several books as "the result of a 25-year obsession with Zecharia Sitchin": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Tellinger#...
  • Paul Baker
    I listened to the Divot Box story on my ipod whilst lounging by the pool in Bali. It was the last podcast I listened to on that ipod. One swim later I realised my ipod was still in my bathing shorts pocket.
  • In regards to the Catholic church being open minded. You will find that most of the science department at the vatican and the scientists there are fairly open minded, liberal, and science driven. If you have seen Religolous you will see a great interview with the Chief Astronomer at the vatican observatory. Very interesting.
  • That derek guys video really did look like a street lamp ><
  • HI
    Great show. LOVED that video link about that guy who is creating 3D data from UFO reports etc, and where he explained about observers seeing a UFO open a wormhole. VERY interesting. I am really into researching about portholes into and from other realities/dimensions and how this theme is shared through different fields, UFO, abductions, NDEs, OBEs, etc etc

    That thing you did about the 'creature in Hyde Park'. What came to mind was it reminded me of a recent very freaky video I saw the other day about --search at Youtube--the Skinwalker ranch. This is a ranch where really weird shit happened, and these observers claimed to actually see a porthole/vortex appearing which WHEN looked at through infrared tecyhnology looked like a tunnel from which emerged a strange creature. And in part of the stroy they actually pursue this weird creature with glowing eyes.

    What is mean?

    Dunno

    Also your video about the suggested CCTVed 'abduction' was VERY freaky. Dont know what to make of it.
    It seems all very pat that it would all happen, both his disappearance and appearance in same location...? is THAT common? Ie., being taken from A place and then dropped off at exactly very same place? If so that is very considerate isn't it.....? lol
  • Lachlan
    That Dibbuk box is so damn evil. I have had many computer problems since i have listened to it. This is totally off the subject but i would love you guys to have Daivd Icke back on the show. That man is a legend and its truly a wonder someone hasn't tried to take him out. Anyway keep up the great work guys!
  • Lachlan
    That Dibbuk box is so damn evil. I have had many computer problems since i have listened to it. This is totally off the subject but i would love you guys to have Daivd Icke back on the show. That man is a legend and its truly a wonder someone hasn't tried to take him out. Anyway keep up the great work guys!
  • Fresno
    Really guys, how is that security cam video evidence of ANYTHING other than a guy leaving and coming back sick? Why would anybody think there was anything out of the ordinary going on in that video? Its preposterous. NOTHING Happened. He left the frame and then came back and barfed at the gate. Where do the aliens come in? I'm confused.
  • In the video, prior to the man's disappearance, there is a quick flash of light, and then there seems to be some electronic interference that makes the cameras go berserk. The man is no longer in the frame. Two hours later, another flash of light precedes the interference, and when the cameras return to normal, the man has reappeared in the same area, on all fours, after which he promptly vomits.

    The footage is unusual, but there are still doubts. One man supposed that it might be someone capitalizing on some earthly electronics issues.
  • azzwright
    A very valid point. Maybe he disappeared for two hours and went to a bar. That would explain the throwing up...
  • hak
    I'm thinking an A&W rootbeer would be good. You guys are beginning to find your rhythm keep up the good work.
  • Great episode! Keep up the great work!
  • WooT! We won the war against the Divot box! We successfully got a MU211!
  • ANlMAL
    excellent s2-211. . .perfect listening for the week end. cheers to ben and aaron.
  • coboot
    so i downlaod from the puter cause itunes doesnt have it yet and yes i have stalked. lol Because I talk the show up a bit here, I had an audience. I have to upload to the pod and hide.

    Aron, I cant wait for the details. I used to work for the District Attorney here (a while ago) so I am stoked to hear!
  • terryhjones
    The next time ya'll have a story that features the Roman Catholic church, please talk to some one who's Catholic. I love the topics, love the show, love listening you guys, and for all the unnecessary apologies about the sound quality, ya'll have the world's slickest para-anything podcast - but I kept wanting to argue with the speakers during the story about the Church considering life away from Earth.

    * Yes, everyone knows the dark spots on the history of the Church, but some of the greatest thinkers, writers and, yes, scientists for the last 2,000 years have been Catholic, and many were clergy.

    * Considering some of the things that we are convinced of (life after death, resurrection from death, angels, miracles, and the intervention of God in our lives), why would sentient beings on another planet be so out of line? ;-)

    * If every bloody race from the Star Wars bar scene suddenly landed on the White House lawn (or in front of the Opera House, for that matter), it won't change the religion one bit. Some people may have some problems, and the Church organization and hierarchy may (or may not) have to take it into account, but the core of the religion is pretty simple, succinctly summed up in the Creed, and won't change a bit when we finally have open interchange with folks from Somewhere Else (which I hope is soon; I'm getting old and don't want to miss it). The religion is not dependent on the existence or lack thereof of other beings.

    There. Got all that off my chest. I can go back to work now. ;-)

    Thanks for what ya'll do. My only other recommendation for the show would be to put out more episodes more often - but I'm probably not the first to suggest that.
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