Mysterious Universe

Hey, about Ben Abba’s story…there is a movie called “The Man From Earth” that has the exact plot of Abba’s claimed 2000+ year old man. It’s the same story to a t…2000 year old immortal man who met jesus and other historical figures. Check it out on wikipedia.

wow…this abba guy could possibly win the bullshit artist of the millenium…or the most gullible person of the millenium.

Wanted to say my boyfriend and I are really enjoying the Plus membership!

Now, a tiny criticism: I know it’s not really your guys’ style, but it would be great if you could throw a hardball question once in a while during the interviews. It’s not you’re doing a bad job or anything, but I’m really missing David Biedny on the Paracast (had to quit listening after 5 years of loyalty!) and he was quite the human BS detector. Many times you two will bring up some really good questions in retrospect after the interview has been played. If you would toss a few of those at the person during the interview, it would help add another dimension.

Re: Ben Abba’s story see film”The Man from Earth” story is similar, but man looks 40ish

Oh I forgot something. My main question is: Why? Why does one want to be “immortal’? It would be a punishment, above anything else, to have to live on in the body of a 70 year old. Change is the essence of life, if you’re not changing, something is wrong.
In “All Men Are Mortal” by Simone de Beauvoir (it’s about an immortal guy), a great case was made that having to face death gives life meaning and being immortal is eventually utterly boring.

Regarding proving someone’s age, I believe there is a way to determine age by examining teeth. Something about layers of enamel that act kind of like tree-rings. I’ve seen it in a few documentaries about anthropology where they can determine the age when an individual died just by examining the teeth. If Ben Abba’s immortal still has his original teeth, this could provide some evidence of his claims.

Thank you for the interesting comments.

I have put a special post on my blog to address all of your questions / comments / concerns.

Be well.

Also, what exactly is The Vatican’s “junk room” where they “throw all the old cups from Bishops and stuff that aren’t too valuable”?

Will do! Thanks for the tip

The Ben Abba interview was amazing. I know that I’ll listen to it several times. I too wonder what the Vacatin’s junk room was?

On a positive note, I have to say that I’m impressed with Ben G. and Aarons ability to maintain professional composure during interviews such as Ben Abba. It’s the same thing I admire in George Norry (I know I’m not spelling that correctly). To be able to maintain a compassionate and professional demeanor during interviews that, on the face of it could be complete flights of fancy can’t be easy, and you guys are naturals.

I understand that this wasn’t a “Is it Real, or BullS#!@” style interview, but one or two questions that puts a little “tangibility” on his claims could help keep the information on the ground, so to speak.

As for Ben Abba, while I don’t discount remote viewing, or necessarily long lived people, in future interviews, I wouldn’t lean so heavily on “I proved this through remote viewing” as evidence that the person is telling the truth to your interviewers. As I’m sure i don’t have to tell you, evidence has to be tangible or highly circumstantial to have a measure of credibility. Also, I wouldn’t mention works of fiction such as “highlander” to get points across, nor would I drop names like Leonardo DaVinci and especially not Jesus. These things actually go a lot further to hurting the credibility of your story rather than help it. Lastly, your speech patterns and choice of words could be better prepared. I won’t go into the laundry list, but your speech mannerisms were classic telltale that someone is either A) Intentionally being fictitious, or B) Unintentionally filling in major gaps in what little facts they actually have. I’m not saying that your lying, but I’m saying from a critical listeners point of view, these things actively worked against you, and perhaps by avoiding the pitfalls above, you’ll gain the initial credibility that you’re presumably hoping for.

Thanks for the interview guys. Not my favorite, but it got me thinking and thinking is always a good thing, – unless it makes my head hurt.

Cheers Mates,
James

Good on ya MU audience!

Heaps of praise for some truly brilliant comments here that cogently point to some key elements that Mr. Ben Abba may choose graciously to accept and tailor his tableau with.

Brevity would do him well as the most believable claims are the least decorated thus needing the least exertion of explanation.

This broader concept I am trying to get across here reminds me very much of two pre-Aaron era MU stories that longtime listeners will remember well. The CARET drone epic and The Lacerta Files personal account.

The CARET drone story was intriguing on it’s surface but brutally over-designed on all subsequent levels. It’s use of evidence to back up the narrative only made it more difficult to believe as time went on.

The Lacerta Files is a wonder filled narrative but has not even a stitch of evidence which after a short time transports one’s solid world believability into the flames that fiction feeds.

With this interview we were coated with a cavalcade of history’s biggest hits and individuals. This is where too much plot construction begins to crush itself and the overreaching of narratives begins to upstage the very subject itself.

If the account is true then I submit that even just one quarter of the story is amazing enough. Why use every bit of it in one shot while grossly overshooting the target?

Mr. Abba’s account could benefit greatly by presenting far more core and much less apple.

-OR-

If it truly is “all about entertainment” then present the extensive field work and research of the oldest man in the world in the form of some lovely prose or even a sweeping multiple novel series with movie options closely in tow.

Best of intentions to all!
Stephan

P.S.: In all honesty I did pay the respect to read Mr. Abba’s blog response and appreciate him sharing his personal views with us there. However I did not have enough time to read all of the hyper-linked articles he presented (there were more than 20) but will certainly try do so in the near future.

OK I decided to go check out the links on Ben’s blog that talk about the proof, this it what it says, “So when it comes to proof, I believe proof is in the heart of the beholder. If your heart says its true, then it will be.”
That’s good because I want to believe Middle Earth is true, so I am heading into the west to find it!
Sorry Ben and Aaron, very disappointed in you both for taking this guy so seriously, particularly, since he claims he found this 2800 guy by remote viewing, a technique you guys ridiculed in 208+.

James – I like your comments on the interview/story. I agree/disagree on some points. This story mirrors one that I heard from a family friend (Ben & Ben you both know who). But yesterday I actually asked her and although she hasn’t heard the interview, she said almost the same things that you have said James about the language and the story. And she worked as a specialist in discerning the truth in peoples stories.

I for one, remain open minded and if it is true, I wonder if it’s possible that this individual is not the only really old human being on earth.

Ben, this was one of your best interviews yet. Great job. Keep an eye on Ben Abba’s blog and the individual who has suggested a DNA sample could be cross referenced with known databases. No doubt we could sequence his DNA/RNA and come up with a series of closest relatives and that might highlight how up the tree he is – think about the difference between chimps and humans – same idea.

Love the way you have set up this dialogue between listeners and yourselves. Great way to know how you impact on the world.

Bar none, the most fascinating, exciting, thrilling, imaginative, captivating and just plain fun episode you guys have ever done. Best interview I’ve ever heard and can’t wait to read that book.

The imaginings of someone who has watched The DaVinci Code one too many times?

So just to get a frame of reference – multi dimensional bigfoots are believable but 2500 year old people are not? That being said this guy reminds me of the guy who claimed he was half dolphin and worked for a secret military under the ocean. Anyway, what if Mr. Abba (terrible band btw) was taken for a fool? But not by a 70 year old con man, that would be too easy to figure out by remote viewing (yes that’s sarcasm). The things this old man said were true, the artifacts were real, and Ben Abba did see all of this via remote viewing. It’s extremely difficult to believe, as many have pointed out, that a person would even be privileged enough to have hung around with all the amazing historical figures of the last 3000 years. That is unless it was intentional. But how could he have known he should hang out with Jesus or Leonardo you ask? Because he was a fan of history that’s why. This man was not 2800 years old, he was old to be sure but more like 80. The interesting part of this man’s history does not lie in the past but in the future. He’s from the future, he’s a time traveler and he was just revealed by Ben Abba. What we have is a bigger story then some old man with stones he claims are cash, we have a genuine time traveler who visited all the people and events any of us would. A Swiss bank account or hidden treasure in the family name makes a lot of sense for a guy who jumps around through time. So why’s he here now? Maybe to witness the middle east crisis, maybe to witness 2012, maybe he would never say and maybe it hasn’t happened yet. Yes Ben was mislead, but he wasn’t far off.

I’ve listened to it a few times, i am usualy open to things and ideas, but Mr. Ben Abba talks about some very hard to accept ideas here, but hey, as you guys say, the show is for entertainment purpose in the first place and must be takes as such.

Great show !

I am definately not saying that I believe this guy is right or even believes what he’s saying, but remote viewing has been used many times by our own government. As with all things there are falsifications, but remote viewing is possible.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/Remote_Viewing/RV_Chronos_DVD/prweb3412874.htm

Okay, I’m a recent listener to MU (from the District of Confusion, er, Washington, DC). First, I want to say that you guys have a nice rhythm; the show flows, your voices are complementary, you’ve got the right balance between humor and open-mindedness.

Regarding Mr. Abba: I realize the show is “entertainment” (or, at least, that’s the escape clause when guests say incredible things), but Mr. Abba’s “proof” and “evidence” (see his blog) is so lacking and cried out for even the slightest challenge from you guys (I like your post-interview assessment, but it would be have been more interesting to hear what Abba had to say about your assessment real-time, so to speak). I say this b/c I’d hate for MU to end up like some of the podcasts or shows (e.g. Coast to Coast in the U.S.) where no one really gets challenged for anything that they say and everything can be explained by the phrase “quantum mechanics tells us”! … I don’t want you to turn the interviews into some type of adversarial experience, but a little more rigor won’t hurt.

By the way, as has been noted, when Mr. Abba referred to Major Ed Danes (sp?) as a skilled remote viewer I choked because one of the true remote viewing pioneers, e.g. Targ, derides Danes’ claims about Danes’ ability.

As for Abba’s repeated claims that he “confirmed” certain historical events via remote reviewing? If you want to read a highly credible account of historical remote/psychic viewing, then read the fascinating “The Secret Vaults of Time: Psychic Archeology and the Quest for Man’s Beginnings,” by Stephan A. Schwartz (http://www.stephanaschwartz.com/) (I don’t know Mr. Schwartz nor have any affiliation with him; I’ve only read this book). In fact, I would suggest that you get Mr. Schwartz as a guest. Now, that would be a great interview.

Okay, that’s my comment. Love the show.

ben abba…what to say, the biggest bull**** artist i’ve ever heard, and i’ve a lot of them. it amazes me that people can actually believe all these outrageous allegations.

I just want to point out that Ben Abba and his team of remote viewers would have not been the first the have located this 2800 year old man. The secret government/military would have been on that at the outset of the remote viewing program. Ultimately it is Ben Abba’s voice that gives away that he is a liar. During his time speaking you can hear him stumble during sentences and almost stutter. This reveals to me that he is unsure of what he is saying. I believe he is just trying to cash in on the whole anti-aging trend with the baby boomers. Those who are not very discerning will fall for this trap although I must say that his story does convey time less truths that can help in extending one’s lifetime. I just wish he would not create this semi elaborate lie to get these other messages out. I believe this will take years off of his life in the end.