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Episode 410 – Mysterious Universe

This week we are joined by Ben Abba to discuss his upcoming book which details his interviews with a man he believes is over 2500 years old.

Could the existence of this “immortal” possibly be true? What would you ask a man who has lived since the dawn of civilization?

We also look at reports of the Houston “Batman” and return to a classic alien abduction/murder in the UK.

Read on for show notes, music, and links.

Aussie Drivers Speeding to Conjure a Ghost

Psychic Finds Body

Texas Batman

Organs Made to Order

Ben Abba

Ben Abba’s Blog

Watch this space for an update and a link to a preview chapter of Abba’s book.

Plus Content

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Humanoid/Cryptid Encounters 22

Alan Godfrey Abduction

Alan Godfrey Video

Shadow Hobo

Manta Ray Cryptid

Music

PrismAedem
“Wasteful Science” (mp3)
from “Prism”
(Microcosmos Records)

More On This Album

Vans CalMiedlev
“Karma” (mp3)
from “Vans Cal”
(Digi Crates Records)

More On This Album

Sometimes/Mr. SyncopateThe GrooveFellas
“It’s a man’s man’s man’s world” (mp3)
from “Sometimes/Mr. Syncopate”
(Shake Records)

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More On This Album

Huess – 1-800 Wake-Up via undomondo

Faux Pas – Vanderbilt via undomondo

Final Track

The Go! Team – Ladyflash (Simian Mobile Disco Remix) via indie shuffle

Sh*t Robot – I Found Love via AudioPorn Central

Final 2 Tracks from Gramatik’s Street Bangers Volume 3. [BUY]

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  • Laxmadur

    I wish this Ben Abba guy would tell you his real name so that we could look into his background – he just seems too odd sounding, awkward, makes all sorts of grandiose claims about himself without any proof whatsoever – claims to have a physics, chemistry, electronics training. He claims to have been a former bug tough guy football player? WTF?

    Also, with regards to the coals, there is a perfectly normal scientific explanation for why they do not burn coal walkers – it’s easy to find if you have a look.

    I am still listening to the episode and I REALLY hope you as ask for his real name. No one will take him seriously as long he he tries to remain anonymous and I find it maddening that no one seems to just flatly mention that to him.

  • Gorilla Grodd

    Hey, about Ben Abba’s story…there is a movie called “The Man From Earth” that has the exact plot of Abba’s claimed 2000+ year old man. It’s the same story to a t…2000 year old immortal man who met jesus and other historical figures. Check it out on wikipedia.

  • asdf

    this abba guy sounds like his full of s&*%…

  • jkl;

    wow…this abba guy could possibly win the bullshit artist of the millenium…or the most gullible person of the millenium.

  • Singularity

    The Ben Abba story about the man who claims to be 2800ish years old, reminded me of a movie that goes over this senario with the protagonist being more than 30,000 years old.
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0756683/ <— The man from Earth. I heighly recomend it.
    There is a sci fi story (I cant find a reference) that has as a premise a guy talking to his neighbour who is an ancient alien that has been living on earth for 10s of thousands of years.

  • Tammy

    Wanted to say my boyfriend and I are really enjoying the Plus membership!

    Now, a tiny criticism: I know it’s not really your guys’ style, but it would be great if you could throw a hardball question once in a while during the interviews. It’s not you’re doing a bad job or anything, but I’m really missing David Biedny on the Paracast (had to quit listening after 5 years of loyalty!) and he was quite the human BS detector. Many times you two will bring up some really good questions in retrospect after the interview has been played. If you would toss a few of those at the person during the interview, it would help add another dimension.

  • http://www.facebook.com/danielle.meierhenry Danielle Meierhenry

    While I am completely open minded about the possibility of some people living MUCH longer than commonly thought possible, I did have some issues with Abba’s claims. What were the largest red flags for me were the guy being a Templar Knight, and then also having known Christ. I mean, it’s a bit too convenient and Hollywood for some person who is seemingly immortal to have also just happened to be directly involved with all kinds of huge events in history. Remember hearing about them? Sure, maybe. Having an interesting perspective on them? Definitely. But having been there is a bit much.

    I’m sure it’s a great story though! But my BS-meter goes off on all those grandiose claims.

    Great show!!

  • Rod Mckenzie

    Re: Ben Abba’s story see film”The Man from Earth” story is similar, but man looks 40ish

  • http://www.twitter.com/saschamaj sammysoul

    I agree with Tammy re. hardball questions; I don’t think it’s too much to ask of your interviewees to answer a few common sense questions here and there. In the case of Ben Abba’s story, stating that there’s no way to prove how old his “friend” is rather ridiculous. You don’t need a DNA analysis, all you need is some documentation, ID etc. even if it’s only from the 1800′s, that already would be incredible enough.
    How does this guy pull off to be undetected by any authorities? He must be the word’s best fraudster, changing his identity every couple of decades so he won’t arouse suspicion. What about his family? If he has children and a wife, the would pretty much know that he’s not aging; and if they know it’s just a matter of time till other people know. Since he’s apparently living in a city, such an “immortal” would not stay under the radar for long.
    Anyways, there are a ton more questions (black teeth, known Jesus,etc.), but unfortunately I won’t get them answered satisfactorily, because this whole story is just a convoluted piece of “non-fiction” fiction, i.e. complete BS.
    Entertaining as always, but this interview and the one with Nigel Kerner (ep. 405) were quite painful to listen to. Hey Aaron, how about being the “bad cop” in these kind of interviews, asking one or two straightforward questions when one of your interviewees goes off the deep end… :-)

  • http://www.twitter.com/saschamaj sammysoul

    Oh I forgot something. My main question is: Why? Why does one want to be “immortal’? It would be a punishment, above anything else, to have to live on in the body of a 70 year old. Change is the essence of life, if you’re not changing, something is wrong.
    In “All Men Are Mortal” by Simone de Beauvoir (it’s about an immortal guy), a great case was made that having to face death gives life meaning and being immortal is eventually utterly boring.

  • Anonymous

    Really great comment! To be honest I zoned out during this interview as it was a bit far fetched (even for me). You’re right though. I am going to go more “bad cop” on such things in the future.

  • Jeff

    Regarding proving someone’s age, I believe there is a way to determine age by examining teeth. Something about layers of enamel that act kind of like tree-rings. I’ve seen it in a few documentaries about anthropology where they can determine the age when an individual died just by examining the teeth. If Ben Abba’s immortal still has his original teeth, this could provide some evidence of his claims.

  • Dan

    Very boring interview. I spaced out through most of it. If your going to interview folks that are full of BS
    get some really wacky ones on at least they are fun to listen to :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/ben.abba Ben Abba

    Thank you for the interesting comments.

    I have put a special post on my blog to address all of your questions / comments / concerns.

    Be well.

  • Guest999

    Aside from the already-mentioned odd similarity to The Man from Earth, the three things that made Abba’s story sound most ridiculous to me were -

    First, he didn’t have a very intelligent manner of speech. Setting aside his working-class accent for a moment (with which I wouldn’t indict someone’s intelligence), phrases like “in old times military-people were vicious” and “what I’ve found running around with these guys who have the spiritual-thing going” was a bit off-putting.

    Second, his big “a-ha!” moment of the Swiss flag being a coded image of the battle emblem of the Knights Templar doesn’t correspond at all to very well-established, well-documented and well-known vexillology about the origins of Switzerland’s federal flag.

    Third, while I don’t entirely discount remote viewing, I do entirely discount MAJ Ed Dames who is regularly the butt of jokes by even the hardest-core fans of his only media outlet, Coast to Coast AM, and about whom his fellow ex-military remote viewers – like Paul Smith and Russell Targ – have often responded with either silence or a light chuckle when posed questions about him.

  • Guest999

    Also, what exactly is The Vatican’s “junk room” where they “throw all the old cups from Bishops and stuff that aren’t too valuable”?

  • Anonymous

    Aaron, make sure you check with your prof on that more modern stuff, to make sure it is covered (and not all tape driven, etc. It could be all theory/methodology vs. modern stuff, since the tech changes fast.

  • Anonymous

    Will do! Thanks for the tip :)

  • Anonymous

    I agree with you Tammy. I loved David’s brand of hardball questions, and miss him when he left the Paracast. But it would definitely drive away a lot of people for interviews. Good for the kookier types, less so for the marginal ones that might have something. Not so much so for a show for entertainment.

  • Jsampson

    The Ben Abba interview was amazing. I know that I’ll listen to it several times. I too wonder what the Vacatin’s junk room was?

  • http://jeremiahmurphy.net/chuckles Jeremiah

    I enjoyed this episode, after reading the comments I thought it was going to be a snoozer, but I was entertained. I like how you guys go along with the interviewer and let them have their say then give feedback afterwards. I’m all for asking about evidence of claims but no need to go Serpico on folks.

  • James

    On a positive note, I have to say that I’m impressed with Ben G. and Aarons ability to maintain professional composure during interviews such as Ben Abba. It’s the same thing I admire in George Norry (I know I’m not spelling that correctly). To be able to maintain a compassionate and professional demeanor during interviews that, on the face of it could be complete flights of fancy can’t be easy, and you guys are naturals.

    I understand that this wasn’t a “Is it Real, or BullS#!@” style interview, but one or two questions that puts a little “tangibility” on his claims could help keep the information on the ground, so to speak.

    As for Ben Abba, while I don’t discount remote viewing, or necessarily long lived people, in future interviews, I wouldn’t lean so heavily on “I proved this through remote viewing” as evidence that the person is telling the truth to your interviewers. As I’m sure i don’t have to tell you, evidence has to be tangible or highly circumstantial to have a measure of credibility. Also, I wouldn’t mention works of fiction such as “highlander” to get points across, nor would I drop names like Leonardo DaVinci and especially not Jesus. These things actually go a lot further to hurting the credibility of your story rather than help it. Lastly, your speech patterns and choice of words could be better prepared. I won’t go into the laundry list, but your speech mannerisms were classic telltale that someone is either A) Intentionally being fictitious, or B) Unintentionally filling in major gaps in what little facts they actually have. I’m not saying that your lying, but I’m saying from a critical listeners point of view, these things actively worked against you, and perhaps by avoiding the pitfalls above, you’ll gain the initial credibility that you’re presumably hoping for.

    Thanks for the interview guys. Not my favorite, but it got me thinking and thinking is always a good thing, – unless it makes my head hurt. :-)

    Cheers Mates,
    James

  • Elliott130

    Guest999 I couldn’t have wrote a better response to the interview with Ben Abba. I completely concur and agree with the points you make.

    In defence to MU, I did enjoy the interview and as you guys always say ‘Its more about entertainment.’ But it was off the scale for BS. Hee, hee!

    I also wondered what his Scottish ‘Lass’ was doing holidaying in Portugal when he met her. It seems international travel was just as accessible then as it is now. Also being an Englishman I have problems understanding my Scottish cousins at the best of times. How the bloody hell a Spaniard who doesn’t speak English could is beyond me. Hee, hee! Unless he just happened to have a rudimentary understanding of native Scottish Gaelic.

    Keep up the good work lads. Still love the show.

  • Stephan

    Good on ya MU audience!

    Heaps of praise for some truly brilliant comments here that cogently point to some key elements that Mr. Ben Abba may choose graciously to accept and tailor his tableau with.

    Brevity would do him well as the most believable claims are the least decorated thus needing the least exertion of explanation.

    This broader concept I am trying to get across here reminds me very much of two pre-Aaron era MU stories that longtime listeners will remember well. The CARET drone epic and The Lacerta Files personal account.

    The CARET drone story was intriguing on it’s surface but brutally over-designed on all subsequent levels. It’s use of evidence to back up the narrative only made it more difficult to believe as time went on.

    The Lacerta Files is a wonder filled narrative but has not even a stitch of evidence which after a short time transports one’s solid world believability into the flames that fiction feeds.

    With this interview we were coated with a cavalcade of history’s biggest hits and individuals. This is where too much plot construction begins to crush itself and the overreaching of narratives begins to upstage the very subject itself.

    If the account is true then I submit that even just one quarter of the story is amazing enough. Why use every bit of it in one shot while grossly overshooting the target?

    Mr. Abba’s account could benefit greatly by presenting far more core and much less apple.

    -OR-

    If it truly is “all about entertainment” then present the extensive field work and research of the oldest man in the world in the form of some lovely prose or even a sweeping multiple novel series with movie options closely in tow.

    Best of intentions to all!
    Stephan

    P.S.: In all honesty I did pay the respect to read Mr. Abba’s blog response and appreciate him sharing his personal views with us there. However I did not have enough time to read all of the hyper-linked articles he presented (there were more than 20) but will certainly try do so in the near future.

  • Nathrob

    OK I decided to go check out the links on Ben’s blog that talk about the proof, this it what it says, “So when it comes to proof, I believe proof is in the heart of the beholder. If your heart says its true, then it will be.”
    That’s good because I want to believe Middle Earth is true, so I am heading into the west to find it!
    Sorry Ben and Aaron, very disappointed in you both for taking this guy so seriously, particularly, since he claims he found this 2800 guy by remote viewing, a technique you guys ridiculed in 208+.

  • Nathrob

    OK I decided to go check out the links on Ben’s blog that talk about the proof, this it what it says, “So when it comes to proof, I believe proof is in the heart of the beholder. If your heart says its true, then it will be.”
    That’s good because I want to believe Middle Earth is true, so I am heading into the west to find it!
    Sorry Ben and Aaron, very disappointed in you both for taking this guy so seriously, particularly, since he claims he found this 2800 guy by remote viewing, a technique you guys ridiculed in 208+.

  • Nathrob

    OK I decided to go check out the links on Ben’s blog that talk about the proof, this it what it says, “So when it comes to proof, I believe proof is in the heart of the beholder. If your heart says its true, then it will be.”
    That’s good because I want to believe Middle Earth is true, so I am heading into the west to find it!
    Sorry Ben and Aaron, very disappointed in you both for taking this guy so seriously, particularly, since he claims he found this 2800 guy by remote viewing, a technique you guys ridiculed in 208+.

  • Bright Garlick

    James – I like your comments on the interview/story. I agree/disagree on some points. This story mirrors one that I heard from a family friend (Ben & Ben you both know who). But yesterday I actually asked her and although she hasn’t heard the interview, she said almost the same things that you have said James about the language and the story. And she worked as a specialist in discerning the truth in peoples stories.

    I for one, remain open minded and if it is true, I wonder if it’s possible that this individual is not the only really old human being on earth.

    Ben, this was one of your best interviews yet. Great job. Keep an eye on Ben Abba’s blog and the individual who has suggested a DNA sample could be cross referenced with known databases. No doubt we could sequence his DNA/RNA and come up with a series of closest relatives and that might highlight how up the tree he is – think about the difference between chimps and humans – same idea.

    Love the way you have set up this dialogue between listeners and yourselves. Great way to know how you impact on the world.

  • Dan

    Bar none, the most fascinating, exciting, thrilling, imaginative, captivating and just plain fun episode you guys have ever done. Best interview I’ve ever heard and can’t wait to read that book.

  • Dan

    Bar none, the most fascinating, exciting, thrilling, imaginative, captivating and just plain fun episode you guys have ever done. Best interview I’ve ever heard and can’t wait to read that book.

  • Guest999

    The imaginings of someone who has watched The DaVinci Code one too many times?

  • Guest999

    The imaginings of someone who has watched The DaVinci Code one too many times?

  • Cwaw2007

    So just to get a frame of reference – multi dimensional bigfoots are believable but 2500 year old people are not? That being said this guy reminds me of the guy who claimed he was half dolphin and worked for a secret military under the ocean. Anyway, what if Mr. Abba (terrible band btw) was taken for a fool? But not by a 70 year old con man, that would be too easy to figure out by remote viewing (yes that’s sarcasm). The things this old man said were true, the artifacts were real, and Ben Abba did see all of this via remote viewing. It’s extremely difficult to believe, as many have pointed out, that a person would even be privileged enough to have hung around with all the amazing historical figures of the last 3000 years. That is unless it was intentional. But how could he have known he should hang out with Jesus or Leonardo you ask? Because he was a fan of history that’s why. This man was not 2800 years old, he was old to be sure but more like 80. The interesting part of this man’s history does not lie in the past but in the future. He’s from the future, he’s a time traveler and he was just revealed by Ben Abba. What we have is a bigger story then some old man with stones he claims are cash, we have a genuine time traveler who visited all the people and events any of us would. A Swiss bank account or hidden treasure in the family name makes a lot of sense for a guy who jumps around through time. So why’s he here now? Maybe to witness the middle east crisis, maybe to witness 2012, maybe he would never say and maybe it hasn’t happened yet. Yes Ben was mislead, but he wasn’t far off.

  • Cwaw2007

    So just to get a frame of reference – multi dimensional bigfoots are believable but 2500 year old people are not? That being said this guy reminds me of the guy who claimed he was half dolphin and worked for a secret military under the ocean. Anyway, what if Mr. Abba (terrible band btw) was taken for a fool? But not by a 70 year old con man, that would be too easy to figure out by remote viewing (yes that’s sarcasm). The things this old man said were true, the artifacts were real, and Ben Abba did see all of this via remote viewing. It’s extremely difficult to believe, as many have pointed out, that a person would even be privileged enough to have hung around with all the amazing historical figures of the last 3000 years. That is unless it was intentional. But how could he have known he should hang out with Jesus or Leonardo you ask? Because he was a fan of history that’s why. This man was not 2800 years old, he was old to be sure but more like 80. The interesting part of this man’s history does not lie in the past but in the future. He’s from the future, he’s a time traveler and he was just revealed by Ben Abba. What we have is a bigger story then some old man with stones he claims are cash, we have a genuine time traveler who visited all the people and events any of us would. A Swiss bank account or hidden treasure in the family name makes a lot of sense for a guy who jumps around through time. So why’s he here now? Maybe to witness the middle east crisis, maybe to witness 2012, maybe he would never say and maybe it hasn’t happened yet. Yes Ben was mislead, but he wasn’t far off.

  • http://rvxtm.com/ RvX™

    I’ve listened to it a few times, i am usualy open to things and ideas, but Mr. Ben Abba talks about some very hard to accept ideas here, but hey, as you guys say, the show is for entertainment purpose in the first place and must be takes as such.

    Great show !

  • http://rvxtm.com/ RvX™

    I’ve listened to it a few times, i am usualy open to things and ideas, but Mr. Ben Abba talks about some very hard to accept ideas here, but hey, as you guys say, the show is for entertainment purpose in the first place and must be takes as such.

    Great show !

  • Jay198181

    How can you take an odd story and make it even more unbelievable? Unless of course you are being sarcastic about the whole thing. It is more likely that this guy is pulling his chain then he is from the future.

  • Jay198181

    I am definately not saying that I believe this guy is right or even believes what he’s saying, but remote viewing has been used many times by our own government. As with all things there are falsifications, but remote viewing is possible.

    http://www.prweb.com/releases/Remote_Viewing/RV_Chronos_DVD/prweb3412874.htm

  • 6_scott

    The Ben Abba interview was great! I’m shocked at how critical so many of these comments are. I assumed the MU audience we’re more open minded. To shoot Mr. Abba down for some of the reasons I’m reading in these comments is ignorant. Can’t wait for the book!

  • carl

    Okay, I’m a recent listener to MU (from the District of Confusion, er, Washington, DC). First, I want to say that you guys have a nice rhythm; the show flows, your voices are complementary, you’ve got the right balance between humor and open-mindedness.

    Regarding Mr. Abba: I realize the show is “entertainment” (or, at least, that’s the escape clause when guests say incredible things), but Mr. Abba’s “proof” and “evidence” (see his blog) is so lacking and cried out for even the slightest challenge from you guys (I like your post-interview assessment, but it would be have been more interesting to hear what Abba had to say about your assessment real-time, so to speak). I say this b/c I’d hate for MU to end up like some of the podcasts or shows (e.g. Coast to Coast in the U.S.) where no one really gets challenged for anything that they say and everything can be explained by the phrase “quantum mechanics tells us”! … I don’t want you to turn the interviews into some type of adversarial experience, but a little more rigor won’t hurt.

    By the way, as has been noted, when Mr. Abba referred to Major Ed Danes (sp?) as a skilled remote viewer I choked because one of the true remote viewing pioneers, e.g. Targ, derides Danes’ claims about Danes’ ability.

    As for Abba’s repeated claims that he “confirmed” certain historical events via remote reviewing? If you want to read a highly credible account of historical remote/psychic viewing, then read the fascinating “The Secret Vaults of Time: Psychic Archeology and the Quest for Man’s Beginnings,” by Stephan A. Schwartz (http://www.stephanaschwartz.com/) (I don’t know Mr. Schwartz nor have any affiliation with him; I’ve only read this book). In fact, I would suggest that you get Mr. Schwartz as a guest. Now, that would be a great interview.

    Okay, that’s my comment. Love the show.

  • Thomas Millar

    Thank you man! I feel the same way!

  • Moppydoppysoup

    ben abba…what to say, the biggest bull**** artist i’ve ever heard, and i’ve a lot of them. it amazes me that people can actually believe all these outrageous allegations.

  • http://www.leahalbert.com.au Crackfox

    I haven’t read the Ben Abba articles but I am wondering whether he has looked into the paper trail. If a 2500yo man is living in society there’s a paper trail of evidence at least for the past few hundred years. What birth date is on his drivers license? If he’s had wives, jobs, houses even he couldn’t destroy the evidence that he’s been kicking around at the age of about 70 for a few hundred years. If Ben really wants a smoking gun then all he needs is to do a little detective work to find some records. What were his wives names, when did they die, who were their family? Where are the photos and documents? Easy questions to answer and check on. If he’s been kicking around that long and lived in Scotland etc etc, why can’t he speak more than one language? If the guy is happy for his story to be told then he should be happy to have it proven.

    Also, the notion that todays society is more vicious than past societies always gets my back up. But I won’t get into that now. Grrr.

    Love the show!! =)

  • http://twitter.com/siddhion Adam

    I just want to point out that Ben Abba and his team of remote viewers would have not been the first the have located this 2800 year old man. The secret government/military would have been on that at the outset of the remote viewing program. Ultimately it is Ben Abba’s voice that gives away that he is a liar. During his time speaking you can hear him stumble during sentences and almost stutter. This reveals to me that he is unsure of what he is saying. I believe he is just trying to cash in on the whole anti-aging trend with the baby boomers. Those who are not very discerning will fall for this trap although I must say that his story does convey time less truths that can help in extending one’s lifetime. I just wish he would not create this semi elaborate lie to get these other messages out. I believe this will take years off of his life in the end.