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Anomalous Green Fireballs: Unclassified?

Years ago, I recall how one evening a friend and I had been driving along due South near Hendersonville, North Carolina, when suddenly the sky flashed a bright green across the entire horizon.

The sudden, bright flash had been shocking to me (I was driving at the time), but my friend in the passenger seat had been even more startled as a bright-green “fireball” went racing across the sky. In the aftermath of the weird, perplexing event, I had spoken with many friends and fellow researchers, who all agreed that the object seen had been a meteor.

I never doubted this, per say, but instead became more intrigued with natural phenomena that might sometimes be mistaken for anomalous aerial phenomenon the likes of UFOs. Thus, I was intrigued to find–during a recent triangulation of information shared between yours truly and two astute colleagues of mine, Red Pill Junkie of The Daily Grail and Nick Redfern, author of the new book The NASA Conspiracies–some unique information pertaining to “the anomalous nature” of so-called “green fireballs,” made apparent to me in this regard. Specifically, there had been official meeting held on February 16, 1949, in a conference room at Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory, Los Alamos, New Mexico, in which various scientists discussed the subject–and its anomalous potentials–very in depth.

“I thought you might like to take a look at this,” the Junkie proclaimed. “(It deals with) the summary record of a top secret conference in 1949, where some members of the military top brass, along with Dr. Teller and Dr. Lincoln LaPaz, were discussing the phenomenon of the ‘green fireballs’ that were seen over Los Alamos and New Mexico during the late 1940s.

“It’s kind of long… and boring,” he warned, “but you do find the occasional jewel.” Among these was the discussion of how these craft, unlike meteors or other objects interpreted to be falling, tended to maintain a continuous horizontal course:

Dr. LaPaz: I would like to ask one question here – unless you feed power into a body moving into a horizontal path, can it preserve essentially a horizontal trajectory? A plane does it; meteorites don’t do it; short curves as the energy falls off. This thing apparently ignores air resistance and gravity and goes blissfully on its way.

Later, the subject of “flying discs” is brought up within the context of being an “irrelevant question”:

Dr. Teller: Here is a slightly irrelevant question – you brought in the flying discs. What is the connection?

Dr. LaPaz: I didn’t bring in the flying discs.

Mr. Newburger: I brought in the matter of the flying discs because the Air Force, as I understand, now have classed the flying discs and these fireballs into one category.

Captain Neef: The only indication we have is a letter from MAC in Washington Saturday where they indicated the old project Sign is now project Grudge, which includes the phenomena observed in New Mexico. They knew of this meeting and were going to send a representative.

Dr. LaPaz: I just asked Mr. Hoyt a moment ago how he would compare the brillance of this object with that of an aircraft flare. He said they were of comparable magnitude. I think that was definitely ruled out…

Dr. Teller: I understood that a reasonable explanation of the flying discs – and I suppose that it is generally known – is that they are meteorological balloons. …. I understand that in quite a number of cases there have been very close directions established….. I must say that from what you here said, it certainly sounds like everything else but meteors. The thing that impresses me is your evidence of the horizontal flight. Meteors do not usually come in like that.

Perhaps even more curious than the references here to UFOs, Project Grudge, and “phenomenon” occurring in New Mexico (Roswell?), there is this curious tidbit, pertaining to German “stations in space”:

Mr. Newburger: Were the Germans experimenting in any phase that was possibly connected with it?

Dr. LaPaz: Well, they had the so-called stations in space…. might have some attachment to it.

Comdr. Mandelkorn: You don’t have any record of experiments.

Dr. LaPaz: No, no knowledge of experiments. ….. I have the belief that no country in the world has there been meteoritics developed as it has in Russia in recent years. Recently, the Academy of Science of the USSR has been issuing a so-called meteoritic, an extraordinary publication – very little work of the caliber being done by the Russians has been conducted in the United States. Apparently, there it has big support; here, it is an individual matter. Until we had some military interest in meteoritics, we were never able to found even an institute in meteoritics in the United States. The one in New Mexico is an outgrowth of application of meteoritics to determine, say, ballistic coefficients for shells of unconventional design like the proximity fuze shell with the radio in its nose, and that sort of thing. That’s where we got a start. Apparently the Russians got that earlier and have full-fledged state support.

The Junkie had expressed particular interest in the notion of “stations in space” mentioned here. “And it seems that the Russians were more advanced in detection and analysis of ‘meteoritics’,” he noted, “possibly out of concern for American missile launches, but that might also have been applied to UFO investigation.” This brings to mind a little-known phenomenon of the day called “Russian hail” which, to be accurate, was really just another term used to describe the same phenomenon as “ghost rockets,” “flying discs,” “foo fighters,” “phantom aircraft” and of course, “green fireballs”; all of which would eventually be classified under the more general “UFO” acronym adopted by the U.S. Air Force. Based on this declassified transcript, what can be made of the discussion pertaining to green fireballs that appeared to be flying (not falling), as well as German “stations in space” and Russian “meteoritics”? Perhaps some of this talk pertains to a few aspects of aeronautics that history somehow managed to overlook…

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  • Velly

    I’m glad that u posted this. In early November 2010 I was driving north about 1 mile from downtown Seattle, WA and I saw a green ball plummeting towards the earth at about a 60 degree angle at a very high rate of speed. The green ball completely disappeared at approx. 900 ft. before impact. I’ve seen plenty of meteors in my day but this was clearly different. I’ve looked all over the internet for similar events and only found a few but none occurred around the time of my sighting. I’m extremely curious about it’s origin and thought I would add my brief encounter with this phenomena. Thanks.

  • Justanopinion

    If you consider the fact that every factory and mill was converted into military resource producers and that they were the first to use airplanes in combat during the world wars with a skeptical design of their planes that compares closely to imagery of “UFOs” by the British government, at an altitude impossible to achieve by the Germans at the time, then it is possible to come to a theory of external factors such as space stations. That’s only a scenario in which the possibility is realistic enough to comprehend.