Episode 612 – Mysterious Universe

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Episode 612 – Mysterious Universe

We lead off on this week’s long play with a wrap up of .. well, the crumbling of one of the cornerstones of physics, along with thoughts from Kaku, deGrasse Tyson, and others on the recent new s from CERN.

Recording dreams gets a look before we jump into discussions on life beyond death and why re-incarnation and past life memories are rarely discussed in the west, despite their frequent occurrence among young children.

Plus+ members, along with the usual goodness in their extension, get a jump on a new lead on the elusive Hans Fugar, overlapping space-time caves, and a Black Ops paramilitary unit lead by a celebrity physicist.

Did Einstein Get it Wrong?

Don’t Rock the Scientific Boat…

Irish Case of SHC

Record and Play your Dreams

Life Beyond Death?

Why do we ignore Reincarnation?

The Australian Doolagarl

Plus+ Content

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Argentina Entity Part 1

Argentina Entity Part 2

Incubus Attack

The Reptilian in my Shower…

… and a major lead in tracking down Hans Fugar!

Music

Max Ulis – Seven via Schitz Popinov

AD Bourke – Basic Rhythm, En Trance via MOOVMNT

Birdy Nam Nam – Written In The Sand via Vacay Wave

Ljones – Waterflo via Word is Bond

Samples – Drop Bombs (Original Mix) [BUY]

Birdy Nam Nam – Defiant Order via Vacay Wave

Mingo, Nenê E Risonho – Estou A Perigo via Turntable Kitchen

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http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001148168643 Pesto Posta

Ok, as much as I adore you guys, for you seem to have much the same
stance on the “paranormal” as I do, which is something odd is going on
lets look at it , though we may approach it from different angles;

however, “Science is like religion.” … um, in a word, “NO.” *face palm*

Let me see if I explain.
Science make its decisions based on the scientific consequences of the time. Basically many people who have studied “X” for the majority of their adult
lives have said, “Yes, this is more or less how “X” works, and we can
demonstrate this because of many, many, many tests.” and as soon as,
many, many, many tests show that neutrino beams can travel as faster then life, those many people will start to change their minds, and start to figure out new equations, and begin to understand what the ramifications of a neutrino beam going ever so faster then light.

Religion; Galileo, “Um, mister Pope, we have proof the Earth goes around the sun, and not the sun going around the Earth.” Pope, “Kill him.” Galileo, “No, no, I was joking, the sun goes around the Earth.” Pope, “Ok, just lock him up, and the sun goes around the Earth”

You notice a little bit of a difference there.

Look I am not saying that there are not scientists that are dogmatic, dogma is part of human nature, but the vast majority of scientists are not dogmatic. Scientists love a mystery and a neutrino beam going faster then light is a wonderful mystery. Science is perpetually questioning.
The reason scientists do not look at the paranormal, and I am hypothesizing here, is because they see little proof for how say reincarnation could work, and again hypothesizing do not want the ridicule for the public, and their colleagues.
Believe me I would love nothing more the numerous in depth studies done on any paranormal event, but until the woo-woo dies off it aint going to happen. >_<
Glorfindel

It is obvious that there is something beyond Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, however Relativity has been proven to be right so many times and has been confirmed in many areas on the macroscopic scales, also Quantum Mechanics has been proven on many occasions also in the microscopic world. There is a clash between the two world views because in the macroscopic world Gravity predominates over all the other forces (electromagnetic, weak nuclear and strong nuclear forces) whereas in the microscopic world Gravity is negligible and the other forces predominate in atomic/nuclear interactions – obviously the two theories as they stand are incompatible with each other and although they do a pretty good job of explaining the various phenomena in universe it isn’t the whole picture…this doesn’t mean that they are wrong, as for all intents and purposes you can get away with using Newtonian physics to describe much of the universe (some still do) but Relativity grew out of Newtonian (classical) physics and whatever new theorem is developed to bridge between Relativity and QM will grew out of them.

Unless you subscribe to string theory (in it’s many forms) or something else, like Heim theory or Loop Quantum Gravity – the problem with these theories is that there is no experimental evidence to prove or disprove them whilst we have a wealth of proof for both QM and Relativity.

The Neutrino example maybe a case of false readings or it may open a door to some as ye unknown theory lurking in the background, however I don’t think Relativity or QM is done…yet.
paul caggegi

Cheers for this episode. Aaron – I feel compelled to clarify the role of science in society (not a scientist myself, but a massive fan of it). While it is true that it is taught and seen as an area of discourse which presents a list of facts we learn by rote, this is actually fallacious. Science is a method of discovery – not a list of facts. You’ll be surprised to find that the people most ready to accept their ideas are wrong are, in fact, scientists. Re: the neutrino story – six months of fact-checking (or any length of time dedicated to checking and re-checking) is vital precisely because the media present science as an area where people dispense facts as though “this is what is” rather than “this is what we’ve discovered, and given this new data, we must revise our models”.

Science is constantly being revised, but only progresses if the data is scrutinized from every conceivable angle. If an anomaly is published as soon as it is found, then it’s discovered that the people who found it were in error, the perception of science as trustworthy suffers, and in this day and age, where a large anti-science movement is mobilized (everything from the denial of climate change, to evolution and even the efficacy of vaccines) scientists need to be extra sure that what they’ve discovered is in fact supported by all available evidence.

This is why peer-review exists. New data needs to be seen by people who have not done the research; many opinions, tests, angles have to be considered before it is published in the mainstream media and only then can it be accepted. If it fails this rigorous gauntlet of testing, skepticism, poking and prodding, then it is discarded. It must explain all previous observations in a better way – not just some cherry-picked facts which support it.

This may indeed revised physics as we know it, but all errors and possibilities need to be considered, reviewed and scrutinized before this happens.

Keep up the great work on the show. Still love listening to you guys!
benjamin bates

i think you missed the point of equating science and religion, also anything can be like religion, music, sports, movies, cars, the gym, popcorn, the key is context.
its the word LIKE that is the key, it implies similarities, the key word there is IMPLIES.
also… why the need to point out how science is not a religion? set in are ideas about some things?
just saying.

loved the show keep up the good work E&B
http://healthytrim-reviews.com AlexVD

Very excited to listen to this episode. episode 611 was awesome. I don’t see it on the site but it was a very intriguing and creepy episode. This is definitely my favorite podcast on itunes. It makes me very open to a lot of topics I’ve previously thought were a bunch of B.S, it also makes the work day fly by. Huge fan

Regards,
AVD
Glorfindel

I think science and religion and any other institution like ‘orthodoxy’, because it provides a framework for things to get done.
CalumArgent

I love that you actually called up the number on that business card! Really entertaining episode guys! I love how the Doolagarl draws similarities to the Bongo radio call as that was a really creepy segment that I forgot about Awesome show guys keep up the good work!

P.S. Does anyone remember which episode the Bongo story was on? I just want to listen to it again
H Fugar

This is Honorable Doctor H Fugar Like volcano eruption my essence is sent from time cave, very weak.Why has not valiant rescue been attempted? Did not loyal Chinese compatriot forwarded message to you for to perform reach around to Master of Earth and Sky Hawking? Mayhap huge hairy hands without torso or face genitals has silenced.My hope dwindles. If not strawberry covered ally JUN ZAHN with assistance initiate countdown to freedom, then to YOU the flowery task is thrown. Fate of the world is between your steely buttocks. Take strong buttocks and here for to crack or protect like golden walnut of peace. For peace walnut, please to President of great nation USA and almighty genius Hawking tell of time cave tragedy. Rescue must come before the plasma-eating monster of ruling sun spins forward in time to eliminate. TIME IS NOT LONG!Please to you to hurry. With spicy Korean BBQ love and respect, H Fugar
Scribble the Newsie

I’m not a Plus member, so I don’t really know much about the H. Fugar business, but I just gotta say…

LOL. This is genius.
Tyroga

Oh man, when you talked about the grandfathers, friends etc appearing to loved ones and you questioned the appearance of the man to the woman who didn’t have a lot of interaction with him in life I was like… “what tha”. I don’t think you have to even know the person to see them.

When I was in high school I woke one night to a lady near my bed, I had never seen her before, she looked right at me and said; “My name is Margaret, can you tell her I’m all right now, everything’s going to be fine?” Before I could ask her who, she turned and walked out of my bedroom.

The next day at school, one of my class mates was missing, her aunty had died that night. Her aunty Margaret. It took two weeks and a few Harvey Warbangers (they were big in the early 90s) before I could get up the courage to tell the girl that her aunty appeared to me and what she had said. Thankfully she didn’t laugh at me, she just said thank you.

My family seems to have a history of it, my grandmother told me she had seen my great grand mother appear to her, and say much the same thing before walking down the hall and out the front door. She had said it appeared as if the door had opened, but it actually never did (she didn’t hear it open or close) and my aunty has also seen a friend’s relative pass and came to her with the message to give to their family members.
8×10 Monk

By the way they’ve debunked Spontaneous Combustion already. I can’t remember where it was done (saw a program on it) but they took a pig carcass, wrapped it in clothing and started it on fire. Due to the fats in the flesh boiling into parts of the clothing the pig burned like a candle & wick would, burning everything in a curtain location and not spreading. The fats caused the fire to be intense in that location only burning through to more moist meats that didn’t allow the fire to go any further. In most cases the people were smokers.
Joecobb

The business with the neutrinos (?) travelling faster than light… It was underground? Did they measure the distance above or below ground? That could probably account for a couple of nano-seconds… Anyway great show.
Matthew Hodson

Neutrino speed has been measured over vastly greater distances from supernovas so these results obviously seem strange.

I think the MU missed a few important points here.
1) They dont *know* that the result is not because of error.
2) The size of the difference is important when considering measuring error.

From what I hear the distance measurements are more accurate than the margin of error but there are other timing errors that could easily account for the speed.

Its fine to say that we should change our models of the universe when they dont hold up to observations but:
1) you need to actually show that the model is broken through repeated studies; and
2) you need a better model; for example relativity breaks down in some places like black holes but we gain alot of practical insight by using upto the point where it fails.
Ivi1ke

Those neutrinos could have travelled at or just under the speed of light, but because of the strange effects this kind of speed has on mass, time could have warped and they jumped forward a few nano seconds in time. This could be the worlds first recorded time travel
Mathematicy

So you guys did an episode highlighting the ‘discovery’ of faster than light neutrinos… where is the episode where you go over how it all came down to a faulty measurement. Can’t find it and I’m interested to hear how the follow up discussion went.

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