Episode 213 – Mysterious Universe

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After going into hiding last week it seems the UFOs were back in full force for this week’s episode.

Argentina, Peru, and Chile saw numerous sightings with hundreds of witnesses, and a woman in Pennsylvania continued to capture impressive footage of gravity defying craft.

We also look at more Black Eyed Kids tales, the failed disclosure date, and a vague Bulgarian whistle blower.

Show notes, video, and music after the jump.

Large triangle UFO spotted by commercial airline pilot in Memphis, Tennessee

Argentina: Speculation about UFOs Over Salta and Perú

Salta UFO Update (7:38 am, 11.28.09)

Salta and the 1995 “UFO Crash”

Peru: Astonishment Over Alleged UFOs

Chile: UFO Reported Over Iquique

Mysterious Aerial Lights and Beams in Pennsylvania Woods

UFO Hunting by Pittsburgh, PA

Bizarre mutilations of cattle lead to ‘alien visitor’ theory

Exopolitics Movement Discredited By Stupid Prediction Of Obama Alien Disclosure

Respected scientist says aliens are among us

Crop Circles – Alien Messages Or Human Hoaxes?

The Saturday Strangeness

Evidence of life on Mars lurks beneath surface of meteorite, Nasa experts claim

Solar Tsunamis Are Real, NASA Says

The Woman Had Black Eyes

Shangri-La found

Space Nickels
“Orbit” (mp3)
from “Space”
(Soundmind / End Of Earth Records)

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Roberto Bardini
“Protest 09″ (mp3)
from “Light and Shade Part 1″
(2600 Music)

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Hellzapop
“Seguo lo slancio” (mp3)
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Final Track

Toro Y Moi – Talamak via Blouse

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Derek Martin

Odd -- the 2 night vision videos have been taken down due to a "copyright" claim by a MUFON investigator, and youtube says Alison Kruse's "seeingUFOsPA" account has been suspended.
Benjamin Grundy

Check the show notes for Episode 302. The MUFON accounts are fake. MUFON have already released an official statement regarding this, and Alison has an alternative page up for the time being. Oh, we also interviewed her on episode 302 ;)
brendancassidy

Not sure if you were alreadyu aware of this, but I found a website for the crop circle dialog project. Thought you might be interested. It seems a little sketchy, but there seem to be a lot of scientists involved. Not quite sure what to make of their "interpreter" http://www.ourplanet.cc/
Tikki

So much to say while I'm going through this podcast!

I wanted to comment on the Latchezar Filipov segment.

I think a great point was brought up about context and media... the media is known for misleading the public about research. One simple comment, fact, idea found/published/presented can be taken by the media and spun a different way. I would imagine that this may be the very case. The media, or a source could have gotten a hold of something as simple as a line or two about his research, and spun it into this.

However, I'd like to think there are some other options.

The world of academia is a difficult place. Your career is based on your significant and relevant research findings...this leads into two poitns. (1) Latchezar Filipov maybe using his reputation as a source of credible evidence. This often happens when senior academics publish or make claims that are not fully understood. With their years of experience, work, and trust- they can use this to support claims rather than rigorous scientific evidence...thus, if he HAS found something, but is unable to generate proof ... he may feel that his reputation can carry this claim. However, point (2), is that perhaps he's the scape goat.... maybe they have found something, and perhaps they're using Latchezar Filipov as a fall guy to distract (as you mentioned several minutes prior to this story), the public of what's really going on!

However, I do feel it's a bit odd that a man, who's career is highly dependent on his reputation to succeed, to come out with NO evidence and make sure an odd statement... that's an automatic flush!
Rob

So Glad you guys are back, I was a member before. and just became a member again, I glad to support you guys, this show rocks.
kevindowning1969

I will always be a fan of MU. I really look forward to each episode. I was "Premium" from the first day it was available and will be glad to continue to support, and receive more premium content!
snakefarmer

Unfortunately I can;t explain this in detail because I don;'t know all the facts, but there's info about the cattle mutilation phenomenon that hasn't been made public which does not point to an alien explanation. if fact it seems that some of this is being done to determine toxicity levels in meat and land areas in relation to hazardous conditions. In order to not cause an alarm ( or cover their own asses) , some of these corporations , and possibly government food industries are performing the mutilations covertly to obtain meat specimens to sample. Many of the areas of the body that are"mutilated" are areas that would show the suspected toxicity. Yes, it's all very shady and secretive but likely all done by devious corporations not aliens. It's odd how everything that isn't immediately explainable is passed off as an alien action. How did cattle mutilation get to be an alien agenda anyway- that's really far fetched ? An extraterrestrial origin should be the LAST theory after all else has been exhausted.
smallerdemon

Next week's topic has appeared in the skies! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/artic... And from SUCH a trustworthy news source!
Vojtech Balaban

Cool story but pity it was only a missle:

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/12/10/russia...

Or so they say ;)
dalebrooks

Thanks for mentioning me guys :) didnt think my story would get read out!!! Its Dale from Warrington - hope everyone enjoyed my story - cant wait for episode 14
Nicole

Hey guys - new thread in the discussion boards on the MU Facebook page. This thread is for those wishing to discuss Season 1 of MU.
See you there!
latasha gibson

hello! i am loving the black eyed kids stories! and the ghost story as well. i just watched the UFO videos and wow! i got chills watching the one with the beam! i actually saw a show (maybe on the discovery or history channel) where they set out to show how bugs and other nasty creatures help in the decaying process in attempts to debunk the cattle mutalations. i still don't know what to think about it. i don't think it's just bugs, flies and such(at least not all of the cases) but it is a little scary to me! the shangri-la video? oh wow! that is so so amazing! i hope if ( and when) they translate the texts we hear more about what they say. that was just so so beautiful!
Nicole

Loved the ghost stories - especially the red ghost encounter!
coboot

The first video, although could have some possibilities, also have airforce bases within flight of there. Just because the govt says an airbase is not in use, does not mean it is not being used.

Coming from Long Island, we had grumman here and lots of secret testing, vibrations and other strange things growing up.

Later I was told by a family member worked for grumman that he would chuckle when people would complain when "heavy trucks would come by & shake the house and rattle the windows" More like turbines he would say. As an adult I think about how big that truck would had have to be to shake the houses like that (late 70-late 80's). Today, Northrup Grumman is said to be gone, although you cant go down certain roads! Whatever.

She was keen to catch it on tape though. Love to know what it is or what we have that other countries don't-yet.

Still doubt any credible govt person esp the "Bama" will come out with anything. Good chance if Joe Biden knows he would gaffe it out. That i bet could happen.
Courtney Franklin

About the Cattle mutation why is always just aliens or Satanists? It's almost like the Ufo proponents want to set up a false dichotomy. I got another explanation, natural death, insects eating the soft parts of the body.
matthewnk

I would recommend listening to Benjamin's interviews with Linda Molton Howe in which they discuss cattle mutilation at length. There are many, many aspects (including laser precision, as mentioned in this episode) that rule out any known natural process.
Courtney Franklin

I have listen to it, and she doesn't have a clue about what she's talking about, when the animal dies the gases in it's stomach expand to the point where the stomach rips open the animal's belly allowing insects and their larva to go to town on the soft organs. Besides Linda Molton Howe buys anything to do with ufo's you can send her a out focus video of a street lamp and say it's a ufo abducting a cow. Oh wait never mind that's already happened.
matthewnk

But she's interviewed hundreds of witness and experts over the course of multiple decades and multiple countries who DO know what they're talking about (ranchers, sheriffs, surgeons, etc.). Are you really ready to discount all of that documentation by saying insects might have done it?
Courtney Franklin

If it's shonky, and misrepresented then yes I would. Plus Proof by verbosity much?

So, are you willing to ignore every dead animal you see showing the same characteristics of cattle mutation because the animals are not massive cow beasts?
JT

Black eyed woman? Just thinking of those things gives me the creeps.
Romy

I don't usually comment but I found your opinions on aliens visitors a little confusing. To be specific, I thought it strange that you thought it plausible that aliens could have the technology to make artificial human bodies with the only flaw being the eyes, but yet could be incapable of accurately duplicating the flashing lights of aircraft. This does not make sense. Any being capable of recreating a human body in artificial form would be able to reproduce the simple light combination displayed on any commercial aircraft.
matthewnk

This is a great comment. While I do think that this plannet is most likely being visited by beings from elsewhere, I think we humans are woefully ill-equiped to speculate about what they might and might not be capable of. I'm often frustrated by what seems to be a pronounced hastyness within the field of UFO observation to rush to speculation.
AngelTheSeaguy

Great show guys I really enjoyed it in particular the segment where Aaron mentioned the stickmen. It gave me the chills as soon the story was mentioned it really reminded me of this video i found a long time ago, while not black they do have that one dimensional figure and odd stick shape. check it out let me know what you guys think? thanks for the splendid show!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCFoVxKnkAU
azzwright

That is just freaky! Thanks for the link.
Alfanzo Szlgoda

WOW great episode you guys, the videos in this page r awesome...now I won’t jump in to conclusions that they were straight up UFOs but they do lean more to that they are UFOs since I can’t really tell wat they r... I do like how u guys say stuff like Eat A hat and the funny situation of up looking in the moons and thinking MU was about space...brining laughter to the show makes the show feel more alive and more connected to the listeners...Please don’t get the assumption that you should get funny material..I would rather hear the great stories you guys find than a joke...Also sorry for not saying something about the events that you guys talk about but I no expertise in them nor do I go looking 4 the answers myself

... Anyways you guys r very awesome and I can’t wait to hear of you guys again
Skelliot

Aaron, you mentioned that Mars was a "scorching 150 degrees Celsius". Mars is actually generally -128.89 degrees Celsius at the poles and a whole lot more warmer at the equator at about 5 celcius. So it's actually bloody cold, you would expect this as it has almost no atmosphere and is further away from the Sun than the Earth is. Just a small mix up I think :).
azzwright

I was referring to scientists predicting Mars potentially being that temperature over 16 millions years ago.
Article 1:
"The possibility that the rock contains fossilised microbes received another boost in August when a team led by Paul Niles, also of NASA Johnson, showed that carbon in the meteorite was deposited in balmy water conducive to life, rather than a scorching temperature above 150 °C as had been proposed previously."

Article 2: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17712-bal...
"Some argued that the carbon in the meteorite could have been deposited in very harsh conditions, involving water at more than 150 °C. Even the hardiest known terrestrial microbes die above about 120 °C.

But a new analysis suggests the water involved was cool enough to allow for life, which at least keeps open the possibility of fossilised life in the meteorite. The study was led by Paul Niles of NASA Johnson. Neither he nor any of the other team members were part of the 1996 life claim"
azzwright

Being a "skeptic" makes you arrogant. It annoys me that scientific arrogance like yours blinds you, and jumping on a site like this to throw in any discrediting tid bits doesn't help your cause. Listen to what I was saying, I was referring to scientists predicting Mars potentially being that temperature over 16 millions years ago.
Article 1:
"The possibility that the rock contains fossilised microbes received another boost in August when a team led by Paul Niles, also of NASA Johnson, showed that carbon in the meteorite was deposited in balmy water conducive to life, rather than a scorching temperature above 150 °C as had been proposed previously."

Article 2: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17712-bal...
"Some argued that the carbon in the meteorite could have been deposited in very harsh conditions, involving water at more than 150 °C. Even the hardiest known terrestrial microbes die above about 120 °C.

But a new analysis suggests the water involved was cool enough to allow for life, which at least keeps open the possibility of fossilised life in the meteorite. The study was led by Paul Niles of NASA Johnson. Neither he nor any of the other team members were part of the 1996 life claim"
Vojtech Balaban

Whats funny is I also remember interpreting what said the same way that Skelliot had...though I was on a loud subway at the time so I probably just heard it wrong.

At least the above clears it up for me too.
sadlyrational

I hate to be like this, but couldn't the "beam" of light be projecting upward? (Someone on the ground projecting the light upward, for whatever reason?) Maybe Alison should get some friends to search the woods next time she sees this happening....
comic sans

cool :)
Our Local Hero

Yeah, so I watched several more of these PA lady's videos (she's pretty funny btw) and in this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKJAxNC5PPs at around 3:00 she mentions these "streaks" and I have to agree, they look like "orbital drops" to where these orbs are near the ground. Haha, I have no idea what the hell this lady is filming. It's pretty interesting stuff.
Our Local Hero

I checked out some of the videos that Alison Kruse posted on youtube about her Pennsylvania UFOs with lazer beams; I have to say they're pretty cool. But, I looked down at the comments and many people made the claim that she is living near a US army Apache Unit and that she is actually capturing the helis with her NV camera. They are also saying that the "lazer beams" are actually the IR lazer systems used by the helis for range detection and weapon system. This kinda makes sense to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKTWmzLJxY0
I watched this video and noticed that at 4:27 the trees underneath the object light up, does this support or eliminate the idea that it could be a helicopter?
Courtney Franklin

She could be the new Sprinkler lady (dbootsthediva)
Benjamin Grundy

They could be helicopters. In certain parts of her videos however they seem to make directional and speed changes that may be hard for a heli to pull off.

Like we mentioned in the episode, there are parts of the footage, perhaps even the majority, that could easily be written off as conventional craft. You have to watch a lot of the videos to find the "anomalous" movements... which admittedly can get pretty tiresome. There's only so long I can stare at lights on a youtube video ;)

I'm trying to get in touch with Alison to see if we can have her on the show for a quick chat.
Vojtech Balaban

I'm not so sure about the helicopter IR laser system explanation. If you look at 1:05 you can see the line of light pass in front of the tree branch. Given how close the tree is that object would need to be very small, smaller then a helicopter (not to mention so close that its running lights couldn't have blurred so completely).
jgrundy

They are typical lens flares. Not lasers or IR lights. :)
Helicopters and planes is all I see!
Skelliot

I initially thought they were lens flares too, but they are too consistent for that. I feel as though they are planes and helicopters too, the night plays tricks with light so it could be this. Some videos how ever really threw me off.

I have no explanation for some of these videos. I would really need to know more before i pass judgement.
Benjamin Grundy

How many of her 30+ videos did you watch? I get the feeling people are just quickly looking at the one video then making up their minds. Again, the majority of the footage looks like planes or helicopters.. look for the anomalous movements though.
jgrundy

Yeah, I watched the 2 in the show notes. I couldn't find the others on her website, just the still captures.
I'll have a look when I've got time, but I'm pretty sceptical. ;)
matthewnk

At first (after just watching the videos linked above) they looked a lot like hellicpters to me. But I took BG's advice and watched a whole lot more of them, and now I'm convinced that they are something very strange indeed. I'm not, however, impressed by the "pretending to be an airplane and not doing a very good job" theory. This feels like like sloppy conjecturing. It doesn't look like they're worried in the least about being observed (personaly I don't think the occupants of ufos for the most part give a crap about being seen or not seen) If it is unfamiliar technology (alien or otherwise) then we really have no basis on which to theorize on the meanings of the various light and sound emisions.
Tikki

After listening to this portion of the podcast, I went to check out her youtube channel. Her videos are very interesting, however, I'm curious to know if you folks at MU have been following the recent events that have been happening to her.

She's been having a lot of trouble with these videos, hackers, and youtube copyright laws... apparently a person has been setting up fake accounts pretending to be her. She's also being slapped with, i guess lawsuits, saying that she has copied these videos. the video she has most recently posted explains the troubles she's been going through trying to document these incidents...

http://www.youtube.com/user/seeingUFOsPA#p/u/0/...

Is this known to happen to those who post UFO sightings? I don't know much about the UFO watcher community... but it gives me the hebbie gibbies, and makes me believe her sightings a bit more.

I hope you get her on your show. I'd love to hear her story and how she's doing!
Si

beam of light through trees... it's a normal lazer.... not a scifi one :D
theetinygoat

I grew up right ouside of Deale, Md, and I assure you that for such a tiny town, it has more than its fair share of creepy people of an earthly nature without adding black eyed ones. That grocery store in particular is a mecca for those of questionable intentions.

now I shall be epicly paranoid whenever I go home for a visit.
smallerdemon

"That grocery store in particular is a mecca for those of questionable intentions." I'm not even sure what to think of that except jealousy that you thought to say it.

Mysterious Universe