Episode 503 – Mysterious Universe

Jan 27th in Podcasts by

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Suzanne Hansen, the founding director of New Zealand’s Ufocus research organization joins us to discuss her 35 years of UFO research and personal contact experiences.

We also discuss the recent attacks on the methods of prominent alien abduction researchers and the validity of using hypnotic regression in discovering the true nature of the phenomenon.

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Suzann Hansen

UFOCUS NZ

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  • The Tiny Pig

    Hi guys great show!
    I don’t doubt for a moment that Suzanne Hansen has had some sort of experience. And I will go further and say that I completely believe she has been contacted by some sort of beings.
    However, if you look at hypnosis and how it affects the perceived memory – hypnosis actually muddles the truth. We are no closer to the truth when someone goes under hypnosis.
    There are many documented cases within the childhood sexual abuse cases and satanic ritual abuse cases that have proved hypnosis to be a way to collect distorted and inconsistent memories. These memories have also been called, “false memories”.
    This type of therapy is not considered to be reliable in court cases in many counties and it has been shown to create more traumatic and unreal experiences within the mind of the subject.
    Anything gathered from a hypnotherapy session regarding passed “repressed” events should be absolutely scrutinized. It should be considered at the most a tertiary support of already proven facts and occurrences.
    How is it that a whole industry is built up around such an unreliable tool which can be easily manipulated.
    Why is it that these experiencers, who have by their own accounts, had life changing and enlightening experiences – have to say throughout interviews… “I have learned so much but I can’t talk about it here because it will be in my book” or “I have wisdom to impart to humanity that will help us grow and evolve as species – but you will have to buy my book to find out what it is” or “I was show technology in the past that is being used today and if you want to know that I was shown an iPad in 1986 and if you want to know what else I saw like Blue Ray, buy my book”?
    If these were such profound and life changing events wouldn’t it be a responsibility to share the information with everyone at every time available like on an international radio program?
    There is enough evidence in the standardized medical fields that proves hypnotherapy is unreliable. We should be more responsible and not let hypnotherapists and experiencers calculate a narrative which is easily digested by the book buying/convention attending public.
    There is something happening – most of us know this. As I said I don’t that something happened to Ms. Hansen. But it is ever so clear to me that she is not ready for or does not want to know the real truth of her experiences. If she did want to know the real truth she would not have wasted her time with the manufactured narrative and the hypnotic suggestions of the day.
    Good luck on your quest Ms. Hansen… when you want to really know the truth… it will come to you without the assistance of charlatans and myth creators.
    (P.S. you lost points with me by suggesting bitter grapes regarding Carol Rainey… if it were an ex-husband exposing the unethical dealings of his ex-wife would you honestly have had the same reaction?)

  • Warren

    Accidental Time Travel——–In the thread from “Above Top Secret” there is a youtube video about some guy fixing his sink which leads him to meeting himself in the future. Later on in the “Above Top Secret” thread someone provides a link to an ad agency. It turns out that it is really an investment promotional ad produced by that agency,here is the link: http://demo.fb.se/e/amf/timetraveller/

  • Fightpeaceful

    Interesting that a common theme in abduction and encounter reports is hearing a ‘buzzing’ noise and/or seeing lights and balls of light and feeling paralyzed. Some types of epilepsy and temporal lobe disorders can cause these types of perceptual disturbances as well as complex hallucinations. It’s also interesting that Suzanne mentions members of her family having similar experiences, since epilepsy is thought to have a genetic component.

    Could it be that Suzanne, and other ‘abductees’, are suffering from temporal lobe disturbances and look to popular UFO culture to try and contextualize their experiences, much as historically, people have reported ‘angelic’ and religious experiences that share many similarities to alien abduction experiences? And perhaps these contextualizations are further reinforced by the highly, highly dubious process of hypnotic regression ‘memory’ recovery. Interesting play between biology, culture and sociology.

    Yes, I’m a proud skeptic, but a skeptic who loves paranormal topics and this show especially! The idea of different ‘dimensions’ and planes of existence intrigues me, but I think that these places only exist within our own individual brains as opposed to being ‘real’ (meta)physical places. But, since everything we can experience is ‘in our own brains’ so to speak, are these parallel universes no less real than the ‘real’ world?? I love that kinda stuff!

    Keep up the good work, lads.

  • The Little Pig

    Why don’t we also explore why it is that Near Death Experiencers have vivid and clear memories – without the need of hypnosis.

    They know something has happened to them and they can recount the experience without much manipulation and prodding from an outside source. Sure there are some things that can’t be remembered such as conversations or advice – but the experience becomes integrated into their whole being. The experience is all encompassing and life changing. Sure these people write books to share the experience – but they are also willing to speak openly without a fee attached or a hook within the conversation. There is an authentic quality that can’t be denied.

    In comparison the abduction story as told by one who has retrieved memories via hypnosis have a fictional quality about them, they do not ring true and the retrieved memories are only in some ways ‘validated’ (if you want to call it that) by the narrative created by the therapists last, best selling book. COME ON… please let’s stop perpetuating this.

    Are we not interested in the truth or do we just want to go around in circles allowing individuals who have experience something real to have their experience co-opted by individuals who make their living off claiming they are the only ones who can define the phenomena.

    If you listen to people with un-retrieved memories – they relay a very personal experience one that is tailored to their fears – one that only they can decipher or truly understand.

    Whenever someone presents a beginning, middle and an end with tension, a story arc and some ridiculous conclusion I smell a book. The accounts that capture me and make me really wonder are the ones that don’t spoon feed me conclusions….

    Could you please stop promoting hypnotherapy… its validity has been defeated in all professional arenas (unless one would like to lose a bit of weight or stop smoking) it is a behavior modification tool – ONLY.

    Oh, yes and if someone would like to say… but the visitors/aliens blocked my memory because (insert reason here:_________________. )The only way I could know for sure what they want is by going under hypnosis.
    Here is a response I think is fair:
    You say the aliens are all knowing and see our future and have somehow blocked your memory – here is a question… if they are all knowing wouldn’t they have known that you were going to go under hypnosis????
    Wouldn’t they have calculated that possibility? What if they have calculated the possibility of you going to a Jacob’s or a Hopkins and what you are retrieving is not the REAL memory of the event, but the alien-implanted-hypnotic-seed-memory that the aliens want you to remember?
    You can’t deny this is a very real possibility.
    The aliens have implanted your hypnotically retrieved memories and created, yet another screen memory because they are so smart and can see the future… so with this as a possibility are you any closer to the truth… are you?

  • Flawedprefect

    Hey guys, enjoyed this show quite a bit! In defense of skeptics, however: a true skeptic DOES have an open mind… just doesn’t leave it so open their brains fall out. ;) We also reserve judgement until enough information is in before jumping to conclusions. Anecdotal evidence is usually all that is given as proof of UFOs, ghosts, goblins, etc, and anyone should reserve judgement until supporting evidence is provided. What is usualy taken for derision or “close-mindedness” is simply the will to not jump to conclusions. Sure: there’s LOADS we can’t explain, but just because you or I can’t explain it does not justify jumping to conclusion X. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A lone anecdote falls well short of providing such evidence.

    I still enjoy listening to the show. I have an open mind, and I enjoy hearing people’s stories. It’s a great way to hear what people claim, and I practice casting a skeptical eye over their claims. Could they be true? Indeed they could, I don’t think anyone can dismiss claims outright… but there can also be OTHER explanations to their claims no one has thought of yet. The burden of proof is always on the claimant – not the skeptic to DISprove it. I can no more disprove person X saw a UFO than they can disprove my belief that an invisible dragon exists in my garage, and only I can see him – both are equally justifiable or easily dismissed as made-up because they have precisely the same amount of evidence. What makes a skeptic automatically scoff at the idea is that no solid, hard evidence for aliens visiting us has ever been revealed. It is always stories, drawings, blurry photos – the occasional hoax – and arguments from authority: person A has a degree in such-and-such, is an upstanding citizen, helps out at the local mission, is NOT crazy… and saw a UFO. So what? Without evidence, the claim has no weight. I can be just as upstanding and still make stuff up, relying on my own social standing, too, but I should also be required to present evidence to back up my claim. The more extraordinary the claim, the more extraordinary the evidence needs to be.

    I look forward to more shows, guys. I think you guys do a TERRIFIC job, and the interviews you get will never appear on the more skeptical and science-based podcasts I also listen to.

  • Kath

    @ Fightpeaceful

    The disorders you describe are a very good known physical cause of the phenomena, but sadly people aren’t really interested in the truth. People will deny that their expereince was epileptic because they just don’t like that idea. Aliens are more fun.

  • JahaRa

    When I was young (don’t remember when) I had a similar ‘memory’ as Suzanne’s that I ws part of a committee with a map on a big conference table describing a plan and asking for volunteers for certain experiences.  There was a ‘director’ type person that approved the ‘map’. 

    I do not have any memories of being ‘abducted’ but I have seen a lot of ufos and my children and I did have one experience of a visitation.  In that experience I gained time.