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The Mystery of the Nine Unknown Men

Humankind has always had a sort of fascination with the idea of secret societies. From the Freemasons to the Illuminati, there is a certain allure to the idea that behind the scenes of our everyday life there are powerful forces at work pulling the strings, privy to knowledge beyond our mainstream understanding, and with access to ancient secrets beyond our wildest dreams. They operate just under the surface of our civilization, their motives and aims enigmatic and inscrutable, working towards ends that we may never fully understand. One such alleged secret society concerns a shadowy group of nine mysterious men, formed in ancient India and charged with guarding ancient secrets and protecting us from the potentially destructive knowledge which we manage to glean from the mysteries of the universe. Operating in secrecy, they are spread throughout the world, silently watching and accruing ever more potent secrets, all the while hidden from our view. These are the Nine Unknown Men.

It was 237 BC and a bloody war was waging. India was under the reign of Emperor Asoka, a merciless and cruel military king who desired nothing more than to lay waste to all in his path. He was the grandson of the great Mauryan ruler Chandragupta, who was one of the first to truly unify India and indeed it would be a long time before India would be peacefully unified again in the wake of the Maurya dynasty, with the brutal plundering of Mahmud of Ghazni, and the more than three centuries of rule under the Moguls that would follow in the centuries to come. Asoka himself had such a potent all encompassing rule that H.G. Wells once wrote of him in his book Outline of World History, “Among the tens of thousands of names of monarchs accumulated in the files of history, the name of Asoka shines almost alone, like a star.” In this particular harrowing battle, Emperor Asoka was in the midst of trying to conquer the region of Kalinga, which lay between what is now Calcutta and Madras, a task which was expected to be an easy defeat but which resulted in the brutal slaughter of over 100,000 men, many killed in a senseless orgy of blood and massacres. The sight of the horrors of war and the ruthless mass killing of so many men took its toll on Asoka, and the once coldblooded emperor realized the horrors of all of the bloodshed.

Emperor Asoka's envoy in the aftermath of the Battle of Kalinga

Emperor Asoka’s peace envoy in the aftermath of the Battle of Kalinga

In the aftermath of the massacres of Kalinga, haunted by the display of so many men brutally slain and the sight of so many smoldering homes and rotting corpses, Emperor Asoka decided to renounce the idea of trying to violently subjugate others, rather opting for a system of winning over the people through the observance of the laws of duty and piety; to integrate rather than destroy. He converted to Buddhism, and went about spreading this system of beliefs throughout the land, from Malaya, Ceylon and Indonesia, to Nepal, Tibet, China and Mongolia, even going so far in his desire to avoid blood that he preached vegetarianism and the avoidance of the slaughter of animals. The story goes that Emperor Asoka also realized at the time that humankind was apt to use intelligence, as well as to put scientific and technological knowledge to evil use for the purpose of destruction. He vowed to create a way in which all manner of technological secrets and discoveries of mankind would be kept protected from the gaze of those who would use them for the purposes of annihilation and death, in order to protect mankind from those who would use scientific knowledge to put it into peril and bring about the downfall of all society.

To this end, he supposedly formed a secret society tasked with keeping the accumulated knowledge which could be used for destruction safe from those who would misuse it, and to further pursue research and knowledge that would benefit mankind instead of destroy it. It was Emperor Asoka’s desire that all new technology be hidden away forever from those who would use it to nefarious ends. Thus was the Nine Unknown Men born. Nine trusted disciples of science were chosen and each entrusted with a book containing all of mankind’s accumulated and ever growing knowledge in a certain field, which the holder of the book would add to, revise and perfect, and this duty would be passed down to the select chosen throughout the ensuing centuries. Some accounts even go as far as to suggest The Nine have unlocked the secrets of immortality and retain their position for eternity. There were to always be nine of them, no more and no less, and they were to remain obscured from the world at large and to avoid any and all dealings with politics or mainstream science, instead opting to remain hidden in the shadows. In order to conceal their communications, the Nine Unknown Men were said to speak in a synthetic language of their own devising and which was incomprehensible to anyone but themselves. They would serve as keepers and guardians of this hidden knowledge contained within the ever expanding books and observers of the world around them, to witness the rise and fall of whole civilizations yet to never interfere or play an active role in any of it except perhaps in times when mankind was in dire need of help.


The subjects of these nine alleged mysterious books vary wildly, and cover a range of disciplines and knowledge, much of which we still do not possess today and would have been certainly unheard of at the time. The first deals with techniques of propaganda and psychological warfare, the science of manipulating mass opinions and sculpting the attitudes of society at large, which has long been thought to be among the most dangerous of sciences. The second deals with the subject of human physiology, an equally dangerous field outlining such things as how to create poisons, kill more efficiently, ways to manipulate pressure points, and indeed how to kill with a mere touch. The third book delves into the area of microbiology, with its vast potential to create and manipulate microbes that could save or wipeout mankind, as well as more beneficial microbes for medicinal purposes or purification. Some legends hold that the Ganges River is purified with microbes designed by the Nine Unknown Men with the use of this book. The fourth book is on the subject of alchemy, namely the transmutation of metals, a power which is used to explain the sudden influx of gold to some temples around the country from an unknown source in times of need. The fifth book delves into the subject of communication, strangely supposedly including methods for which to communicate with extraterrestrials, which would have been a fairly high concept notion in 237 BC at the least, and would suggest they knew of alien intelligences. The sixth book is all about the secrets of gravity, including the ways in which to make anti-gravity aircraft called Vimana, which are persistent in Indian myth throughout history and are sometimes called ancient UFOs of India. In the seventh book there is said to be a vast, exhaustive amount of information on cosmology and the workings of the universe, including allegedly the secrets of faster than light travel, how to bend space and time, travel between dimensions, and by some accounts even time travel. The eighth book is said to be about the nature of light, including increasing or decreasing its speed, bending it to one’s will, and using it to create weapons such as lasers. The ninth and final book is about sociology, and is said to include the immutable rules of the rise and fall of civilizations, as well as the secrets of how to predict the decline of society, and how to stop it or hasten it.

Although the knowledge of these books is supposedly kept totally secret from mankind, over the centuries there are said to have been leaks, which have gone on to account for a number of innovations throughout history. For instance, it is said that the secret of aeronautics and flight, using radiation to sterilize objects as well as produce the atomic bomb, pressure points or techniques used in various martial arts, and numerous medical breakthroughs, among others, were all the result of information from the nine books somehow leaking out or being released into the outside world. Indeed it has long been believed that the Nine Unknown Men intentionally release tidbits of information from their books on occassion in order to help mankind in times of great need, with such gifts from the mysterious cabal being allegedly the vaccines for cholera and plague. They are also said to sometimes reveal themselves to those who they deem to be wise and worthy in order to share portions of the secrets and information they have gathered over the centuries.

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One notable case of knowledge from the alleged nine books seeping out into the world can supposedly be seen in the case of Pope Sylvester II, who was born as Gerbert d’Aurillac in 920 and was a Benedictine monk, a professor at the University of Rheims, the Archbishop of Ravenna, and Pope by the grace of Otho III. Pope Sylvester II spent some time in Spain before taking a trip to India for unknown reasons. Upon his return, he was said to have brought with him a variety of knowledge that was well ahead of its time and which puzzled those around him. Perhaps the most well-known of these advanced displays of knowledge can be found in the story of bronze head constructed by the Pope in his palace, which purportedly had the ability to answer yes or no questions asked of it on a wide range of subjects and which absolutely astounded those who saw it in operation. Sylvester II claimed that it was merely a simple mechanical automaton akin to a primitive robot, but to those who saw it it was like magic. This was just one of the many astounding gadgets well ahead of their time that Sylvester II would construct over the years upon his return from India and it has often been speculated that he gained this knowledge somehow from one of the books of the Nine Unknown Men. Unfortunately, we will never know how the talking head worked or indeed whether it ever existed at all, because it was supposedly disassembled and destroyed when Sylvester II died, as were all of his other wondrous inventions. The talking bronze head and Sylvester’s vast technical knowledge were mentioned in a 1954 issue of Computers and Automation, in which it says:

We must suppose that he (Sylvester) was possessed of extraordinary knowledge and the most remarkable mechanical skill and inventiveness. This speaking head must have been fashioned ’under a certain conjunction of stars occurring at the exact moment when all the planets were starting on their courses.’ Neither the past, nor the present nor the future entered into it, since this invention apparently far exceeded in its scope its rival, the perverse ’mirror on the wall’ of the Queen, the precursor of our modern electronic brain. Naturally, it was widely asserted that Gerbert was only able to produce such a machine because he was in league with the Devil and had sworn eternal allegiance to him.

Sylvester II is not the only one thought to have allegedly had some sort of contact with the Nine Unknown Men, and indeed others throughout history have been said to have been privy to their information, or to perhaps even been members amongst them. Some of the theorized names associated with gaining this secret knowledge are one of the most important figures in India’s space program, Vikram Sarabhai, as well as Jagdish Chandra Bose, who is considered to be one of the pioneering forces behind the rise of science in India, and the French chemist and microbiologist Louise Pasteur. In all of these cases, the innovations and genius they are known for were said to have been heavily influenced and informed by the secret knowledge kept by the Nine Unknown Men.


In modern times, the popularization of the Nine Unknown men perhaps first started in the late 19th century with the writings of the French writer Jacolliot, who was best known for writing works in the vein of Jules Verne, which in many cases uncannily predicted technological advances which would appear in later years. The author made mention of many concepts that were well ahead of their time at the time of publication, such as the concepts of the liberation of energy, sterilization by radiation, and psychological warfare. Jacolliot allegedly  stated that the Nine Unknown Men did in fact exist, and this mention of advanced knowledge well before it was ever thought possible, although not concrete evidence of their existence, certainly seems eerie. Another writer who further brought the Nine Unknown Men into the public consciousness was an author who had spent 25 years on the British police force in India by the name of Talbot Mundy, and whose book The Nine Unknown reveals many of the details concerning the secret society, such as their possession of the books of knowledge and the use of an artificial language known only to them. There the story might have remained pure fiction, but other authors who would go on to write on the Nine Unknown Men include Louis Pauwels and Jacques Bergier, who would write of them in their book Morning of the Magicians, which is laregly responsible for bringing them into the real world and claiming that they were in fact real, thus starting the conspiracy theories that this mysterious group is real and even the notion that Mundy’s book was a way to leak this information to the world. However, for all of the myths, fringe conspiracy theories, legends, and accounts of the Nine Unknown Men, there has never been any evidence that they truly exist, and they remain mere specters on the fringes of our understanding, perhaps secretly watching us or more likely just a story and figment of the imagination.

Who are the Nine Unknown Men? Is this just a myth, with just enough historical reference to give it some facade of believability? Pure conspiracy craziness based on what was meant to be pure fiction? Or are they really out there, entrusted with the most powerful knowledge mankind has ever seen, collected over thousands of years? If so, who are they, where are they now, and what is there ultimate plan? Are they truly benign, or is there the potential of malevolence? Will we ever truly know the answer to these questions? We may never know if they really exist or not, and if they were out there they would undoubtedly hope to keep it that way. Whether they really exist or not, the idea of a secret cabal of nine mysterious figures guarding the secrets of the universe is certainly a romantic notion. Maybe they are just a story or maybe, according to some, they are out there now, watching over us as they always have from the shadows, relentlessly collecting knowledge as they have for millennia and will for many more, guarding us from secrets we are no meant to know and saving us from ourselves in the process.

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  • BW

    Sounds a bit like the legend of the hidden King of the World being in Agharti.

    One note. The “Battle of Kalinga” image is from a different era, as some of the warriors appear to be holding muskets or rifles.

  • Brent Swancer

    Well, see how deep the mystery goes, with them having muskets and rifles all the way back then? 😉

    I hadn’t noticed that about the pic. I have changed it. Thank you.

  • somervillechangeling

    I don’t think we can consider Asoka unifying India in 237 B.C. as in the wake of Mahmud of Ghazni (who lived circa 1000 A.D.) and the 16th century Moguls. Islam didn’t exist in 237 B.C but arose in the 6th century then proceeded to conquer and convert by the sword (with rare exceptions like Islamic traders reaching south east Asia).

    It’s interesting that Judaism and Hinduism arose at roughly the same time as reactions to polytheism and shamanism; and Christianity and Buddhism arose as at reform movements in Judaism and Hinduism respectively within a few centuries of each other.

    The stories about Pope Sylvester II that interest a Fortean arose from his genuine accomplishments in medieval mathematics and astronomy mixed with stories told by his enemies; involving sorcery and that odd “magic 8 ball” automaton head.

    Keep in mind that 19th century writers were enamored of secret wisdom from India and took everything they encountered in Hindu texts at face value. There is no evidence that Sylvester II went to India any more than there is evidence that Jesus went to India (Thomas did but we rarely hear stories about his missionary journeys in modern publications).

    As for conspiracy theories, there are mild facts behind the Illuminati and Masonic theories but only because political dissidents in the 18th century met at Masonic lodges and imagined a world different from the sometimes benevolent, sometimes oppressive European monarchy.

    Knowledge is communal and largely public. Even divine revelation’s transmission is communal and public. No alleged secret books or revelation to a single person changes that historical fact.

  • Scopi314

    I guess the indisputable fact that The Nine Unknown was a work of fiction is besides the point, huh?

  • BW

    Indeed, seems time travel was involved as well! Thanks for another good article.


    I love M.U. Keep it up guys. Thank you. 😉

  • Barry Snell

    But I believe you have missed the point. While you do mention Talbot Mundy’s “The Nine Unknown” in your article, you fail to realize that is indeed the sole origin of this fabricated myth: the work of a former ivory-poacher turned bankrupt pulp fiction novelist. And I’ve never read a reliable account of Mundy having worked for any police force; he was merely a minor civil servant (“town clerk”) in Kisumu.

  • Savatage64

    Makes me appreciate J.R.R. Tolkein all that much more. The fact that the most powerful men would become corrupted more easily.

    Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
    Seven for the Dwarf-lords in halls of stone,
    Nine for Mortal Men, doomed to die,
    One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne

  • Brent Swancer

    I am actually really surprised how much this article has touched a nerve and inspired such ire in a few people. As for those pointing out “It was fiction!!” yes, I know, but the thing is it seems it has been turned into the conspiracy theory that it is real, mostly due to Morning of the Magicians. There are claims it is true and that Mundy’s book was a veiled attempt to bring out this truth. Not MY theory mind you, but I attempted to convey that viewpoint and apparently lost some people. It started as fiction perhaps, but has become something more. Perhaps I was not clear enough on that and I apologize if that is the case. I have slightly revised the article to hopefully make it clearer.

    It was not my intention to try to make the argument that The Nine Unknown Men are real, and I don’t really think I said that at all. I was trying to put out the lore that has sprung up around these books that were written about them and let the reader think about it for themself. There are indeed these conspiracy theories out there and what kind of Fotean writer would I be if I didn’t put it out there for people to chew on?

    If I did a bad job of that, then my apologies.

  • BW

    You didn’t do a bad job at all. All history is to some extent fiction. Assertions that humanity has, at various points, been presented knowledge we would not have otherwise had, or, that certain knowledge has been hidden or ‘managed’, are nothing new.

    Now, if we want to get far-out . . . let’s consider if The Nine Unknown Men are in any way related to the Deep Space Nine that so fascinated Gene Roddenberry!

  • drewhempel

    No mention of the “Stargate Conspiracy”? I wrote a related expose also – the Actual Matrix Plan. the number 9 is a key conspiracy number – leading to the secret of the All-Seeing-Eye and the reason the pyramid doesn’t have a capstone (at least until the millennium). My Actual Matrix Plan expose from 2001 features the Nine conspiracy and I see Jason Colavito deemed this article worthy of his imprimatur. [sic.]. Jason has a very limited range of analysis – when I attempted to engage him on the paranormal he promptly cut off the conversation saying he didn’t want a “flame war.” hilarious! I finished my master’s degree at the U of MN researching the paranormal so I know it’s true.

  • steve philbrook

    Nice work Mr. Swancer. Most particle physicists will tell you that there are no actual particles. So how real is real anyway? I know for a fact I saw that Thunderbird photo when I was a child, now apparently it’s gone missing. Whatever “real” is, it’s getting murky. BTW, we only got two magazines at the house when I was growing up, Readers Digest and National Geographic. I didn’t get out much, so I’m pretty sure it was one of those.

  • Zeek Wolfe

    The Voynich Manuscript is a sub-set of book three.

  • Rafael Vazquez

    I was just thinking the same thing before i read your post…awesome!

  • rsanchez1

    Surprised posts like this still show up on this site.

  • Brent Swancer

    I don’t think it is that straightforward at all. History
    either happened or it didn’t? If only it were that simple.

    The thing is that it is often hard to really say what did or didn’t happen in both natural history and human history. Things get lost in time, events get blurred, or data, written accounts, or information is lacking
    or absent. Sometimes we have no idea what really happened or if it happened or not and all we can do is speculate. There are also often big holes or gaps in
    what we know about history, and it is being revised or rewritten all of the time in light of new information. In fact is anything that we learn today about history the same as what we learned 50 years ago? What we think “happened” then and now is often different.

    Even in the best of times historical data and information can be subject to interpretation, and human bias and belief can most certainly steer which interpretation is more valued or embraced. Obviously not all historians are patting each other on the back agreeing with each other all of the time on everything.

    Sometimes the history we think we know IS fiction. Facts can be fudged, changed, brushed over, or outright covered up. Do you think what you
    think you know about world history is the same as what someone with a similar level of education “knows” in North Korea? Do you think what was taught about World War II in the United States was the same as what they learned in Germany
    or Japan? At other times historical data can be unreliable, recorded by a biased individual, or even faked. It seems that what happened or if it happened is a bit fuzzy depending on perceptions and who you ask.

    It sometimes seems that history is almost a living,
    breathing thing, changing and adapting. To simply say that it either happened or didn’t is to ignore this state of flux and the difficulty in untangling fact
    and fiction to determine what really happened or if it even happened at all.

    History either happened or it didn’t? Sure, at its most base level that is true. No one is disputing that, but that is not really theproblem is it? The problem is that this history is recorded by imperfect creatures, us, and seen through the often very cracked lens of misinformation, deception, bias, belief, interpretation, error, and/or incomplete or missing data and evidence. I think in light of this, the question of what happened or whether it happened at all becomes murky, and does not always have an easy or
    straightforward answer.

  • Brent Swancer

    Seeing as this is an article about mysterious things on a site called Mysterious Universe, I’d be curious to know exactly what kind of post you mean.

  • Bobby Lokey

    Well, to a degree, all history is tainted. And much relies on the reader’s ability to perceive. Actually, one is absolutely alone in existence, and all relies on that one. That more, or other than “The One That Exists,” is simply illusion. Ought is “inside here with me.” Thus, one is on one’s own. Are “you” The One, or am I? At times, I do wish that “you” could be I, but that’s impossible, isn’t it? Just keep knocking on the door. I may answer, and may not.

  • Brent Swancer

    Untruth? Are you joking? H.G. Wells did write such a book. It is also subtitled “The Whole Story of Man” or “Being a Plain History of Life and Mankind.” It was published in 1920 and sold over a million copies. It is a real book and I don’t know what you are talking about. That’s what happens when you don’t check YOUR sources. You could have seen that for yourself with even a cursory Internet search. Oh here, I’ll do it for you.

    And many, many others. The whole thing is even available to read for free online. Please check what you are saying before calling people out on things you obviously don’t understand.

    You claiming that this book is an untruth perpetuated by me when it clearly is not has seriously damaged your credibility in my eyes, and I’m not sure if I should even pursue this conversation in the face of such a blatantly false accusal, but I will continue anyway.

    As for fiction never being historical fact, I’m not even sure of what to say to that. Fiction can and has become seen as historical fact in more than just this instance. It doesn’t mater whether the source is fiction or real, only that those who perpetuate it THINK it is real.

    That brings me to my last point here. Yes, this is probably all fiction. I think so too.

    But that’s not the point. The point is that there are people out there who think that this fiction is somehow real and that the Nine Unknown Men are real, and that is what I was writing about here. You act as if I should censor that and just write an article about what fiction it was and totally ignore the conspiracy theories that are out there concerning them.

    It doesn’t matte if it is fiction. Some people think it isn’t, and due to this it has sort of spiraled into this conspiracy theory. Whether they are wrong or not, should I not write about that?

  • Brent Swancer

    A last thing I will say about fiction being taken as historical fact, is that, as I mentioned, t it has happened many times. It still does. As undoubtedly I will be asked for examples, at the risk of taking the thread off on a tangent, I want to say just pick up any religious text of any major religion and you are bound to find some examples in there somewhere. (Yes, I’m looking right at you, creationism.) I understand that some of these things are actually taught in school as fact. This would count as someone’s view of historical fact being based on fiction, would it not? Is this example too easy? Do I need more? There are certainly others.

    We’re not talking about accepted history here, obviously. I don’t think you are going to find the Nine Unknown Men written about as real in any history book, but as I said, it only matters that some people believe a fiction is real and perpetuate it as such for it to take root as real, and this has happened before and still does.

    I don’t think it can be denied that there are people in the world who have a warped, inaccurate, or even downright false view of history due to something that started as fiction. That is what has happened here with the Nine Unknown Men, and that was what I was putting out there for discussion.

    Discussion, mind you, which some of this thread really hasn’t turned out to be, has it?

  • Defiant

    “Some legends hold that the Ganges River is purified with microbes designed by the Nine Unknown Men with the use of this book.”

    LMAO!! It didn’t work! The Ganges is a bigger cesspool than the NYC sewer system! Not to mention that nobody KNEW about microbes back then…or germs…or anything of that nature! ESPECIALLY enough information to fill a secret tome! Microbes, the guy says! LOL!

  • Brent Swancer

    I think it is due to the fact that, especially back when the
    books that these legends were based on, there was the prevalent belief that the water held some sort of medicinal quality. This explained why relatively few people got seriously ill even considering how many diseased people bathed there and how dirty the water was. There has been some amount of scientific research
    done to get to the bottom of this claim, and although the amount of pollution and bacteria in the Ganges in more modern times is likely overpowering this effect, there is apparently still research being done, and it comes down mostly to what are called Bacteriophages, which are viruses that infect and kill bacteria. You can read about some of this research into the river’s antibacterial qualities in numerous sources. For instance this one.

    As for how they knew about how microbes were known about by
    the Nine Unknown Men, well if you’ve been reading, that is apparently their whole thing, knowing all of this advanced information well ahead of their time. That’s part of the whole mystery, for what it’s worth.

    I do find it pretty funny that out of all of the talk of them knowing the secrets to time travel, interdimensional travel, extraterrestrial communication, splitting the atom, and slowing down or speeding up light, you found the idea that they would know of microbes back then to be the most absurd and ludicrous one.

    I did appreciate your measured, level headed way of pointing this all out, though. Thanks.

  • Seijinvet

    Biological, chemical, and nuclear warfare suggest the nine are not at work.

  • Bear1000

    A unique story that I would want to believe, for in this day and age of chaos and uncertainty, we could definitely use some lost knowledge from nine immortal wise men to show us the light. Then again, what man does with the knowledge will determine whether it’s used to create or to destroy, and somehow I have a terrible feeling it would be the latter instead of the former. Fascinating read.

  • Curious

    So I suppose they were watching over us for the Black Plague. For the First World War. For the Second World War. At Charlie Hebdo. During the Holocaust. While the Hutus did the Tutsis. In Paris. In San Bernardo. And all the other stuff. We are definitely fortunate to be watched over by such powerful and knowledgeable men.

  • it is actually the Brotherhood of the Seven rays the books are kept in Peru at the origin of de el rio, Madre de Dios{mother of God river a living flowing channel} up nw of Machu Pichu

  • 8 = eternity-infinity turn on itz side and plus 1 the devil-baul dark side

  • go straight thru the earth from India to…????

  • J.Griffin

    Considering the amount of falsehood saturating “science”,the media and just about ALL of the Worldwide WEB…
    why do people complain AT ALL about your work?

    At least you aren’t running for office….

    Just look up how many of the US Congress are convicted felons…
    now THAT is falsehood to be concerned about!

  • Harmeet Singh

    Ignorance is bliss:) there Are many proofs that the ancient civilization in India was much advanced than lot of Western countries now. Look at kailash’s supposed to be man made. How was it even possible if the civilization wasn’t scientifically superior than today’s civilization. We have scientific proof of nuclear warfare that took place as per our epics. The same epics show teleportation and flying objects (supposed to be invented by Wright brothers LOL).. the ancient Egyptian civilization is also gone from the Indian subcontinent. Their pyramids are an inverted form of the Havan kund we use for worshipping. Can you imagine how were these pyramids constructed long you even know the science behind the shape of these pyramids.. better stay ignorant and make a fool of yourself:) LOL

  • 9illuminati

    have you noticed india is different from many other countries they don’t believe in the same thing they have different ways .
    thefts why it happened in india i mean it count of been in the us
    the us wasn’t even discovered then by us but maybe by them … maybe there is something in the us that we don’t know that is right beneath us .